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None has ever heard of "LOVE POLITICS"!!!
INDIANS are well trained to absorb all shocks!!!
By nature INDIA is averse for changes basically!!!
The whole INDIAN history is an open book to prove about importance of INDIA!!!
For Pranab knows well about falls much better!!!
Specially in the Indian context!!!
It would be possible only when both the paries agree for it!!!
By the time they realise,it would be too late!!!
For options or auctions!!!
If they do,it is more by chance!!!
Unfortunately there a lot of buyers for it in the market and cherish it as a delicious fast food!!!
The subsequent events proved it!!!
Let us all wish it would be followed up to its logical conclusion!!!
Most of our jokers do not know how to use it even,in their lives so far.This is for real.
If ever it happens it would be a miracle!!!
Even the players themselves do not know who is in and who is out!!!
One is entitled to hold the opinions!!!
If at all,its inhibhitions and lack of will alone might be holding it back!!!
Any discussions in this regard are superfluous now!!!
Both the state and central governments should act fast,before this venom spreads!!!
People have never seen such a HATE statement,ever coming from a responsible minister so far!!!
People would like to see what course of action follows under the laws of the land,aganist this responsible minister!!!
Of course,it may be an exclusively reserved and confined activity to politicians and the media alone!!!
Politicians have their own paradises to live in,which is their birth right!!!
This is the greatest joke played on the people!!!
SPECIALLY WHEN BJP KEPT ITS CONTENTIOUS ISSUES ON THE BACK BURNER,in the "national interests,political and economic stability",by keeping the oppurtunists at bay!!!
One plus one would be a purposeful and constructive coailition,than 1+ 25+ etc!!!
National interests demand it and people expect better wisdom to dawn on its leaders!!!
These are some typical captions of the most enlightened Media channels,in their non-stop run of news!!!
The people and world at large are wondering whether INDIA is a state of "Democracy,Monarchy or Anarchy".People expect MEDIA not to go over board while reporting facts or is it too much to expect???
People may see a colourful photo print at page 14 0f "THE HINDU" dated 4th April under the caption "CONGRESS SENA" with colourful custumes and heavy make up of the "Mythological characters "of SITA,HANUMAN & OTHERS" WITH A MAN HOLDING A PLAYCARD WITH THE PHOTO OF SRI YSR THE CM, prominently during the campaign in TIRUPATI,the temple town!!!
Great indeed!!!
We have different front in:-
1)KERALA,
2)KARNATAKA,
3)TAMILNADU,
4)ANDHRA PRADESH,
5)ORISSA,
6)MAHARASHTRA,
7)GUJARAT,
8)RAJASTAN,
9)MADHYAPRADESH
10)WEST BENGAL
11)SEVEN SISTER STATES
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18)UTTARAKHAND.
19)UTTAR PRADESH,
20)JARKHAND.
21)CHATTISGARH.
22)BIHAR
23)PUNJAB
24)HARYANA
25)HIMACHALPRADESH
26)JAMMU & KASHMIR.
27)SIKKIM,NOT TO SPEAK OF UNION TERRITORIES
28)GOA.
29)DELHI.
We do not see a common "third front"away from CONGRESS & BJP, with all sundry ASSORTED parties trying to have a sort of loose "oppurtunistic",
which they are calling as prepoll "seat adjustments" to keep both congress and BJP at bay.
In this process,contrary to what has been stated to fool the public,some of the parties are still happen to be the part of "UPA OR NDA"led by Congress and BJP!!!
What shall we call this tamasha MR.Nariman? Shall we say it is an "ABSURD THEATRICAL" PLAY BEING ENACTED to entertain or fool thepublic friend???
INDIA HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH ITS STAND FROM THE BEGINING!!!
Both for the world and INDIA!!!
MR.Narimans,frustations at times are pointers for a new order in the offing shortly too!!!
How can people be asked to offer views on a non-existant form,which is both invisible and purely hypothetical.Of course one has the liberty to chase illusions or mirages!!!
People did see that there is no single party which was not split.It all starts with personal hatred and ends up with a group hatred.They always practice the divide and rule policy!!!
This goes only to prove either there is a flaw with all our systems or our investigative agencies are ill equipped to deal with the cases
with age old attitudes and approches,not to speak of their basic knowlege!!!
It is high time to overhaul them and revamp them!!!
MR.KRISHU,People atleast are now quite familiar with the fact,that all constitutional institutions,follow the pattern of ebbs and tides!!!
The former is a statement and the later is a process!!!
Knowing fully well of the consequences.It is just like planting a thorny tree and expect that it would yield MANGO fruits!!!
Highly doubtful,unless we make a new constitution!!!
This may satisfy the egos,prides and prejudices of all,atleast for some time to come.This may quicken the process of uniform development both in respective constituencies and country as well!!!
This is bound to make our country a super power by 2020 as envisioned!!!
PREFIXES AND SUFFIXES given are only one''s own attributes based on one''s perceptions which are bound to vary in practice.There are no hard and fast rules in politics!!!
Any way the matters are going to be resolved finally and hence no room for anxieties!!!
What is use of lamenting now about "vote bank politics" having nourished them by all, over the decades!!!
"JAIHIND"
It has "several facets" and surfaces depending on
circumstantial situations,in which one finds oneself!!!
At best propagation could just be an attempt or a small aid or means to impress,and in reality people would rarely change from their views!!!
The politics amply proves this point!!!
Their only like mindedness is "POWER" at any cost and nothing else is common.Even then till date it could not materialise for they are banking on all others from A-Z,excluding Congress and BJP,more so BJP even after the polls.
Even CPI-M GS is on record stating that they do not rule out a post poll tie up with congress,as though they alone are the deciders.Does this mean all others would fall in line with their line of thinking after polls???
It might be another fantacy of theirs!!!
Undoubtedly of course.But she forgot to tell all works are of GOD''S alone,religiously/spiritually speaking!!!
People are seeing it through for they have to judge finally!!!
MR.KRISHU,may I add one more line to it."Even if such a food is available it is quite unrelishable"!!!
MR.rebel,the worst part of this drama is the role being played by the CPI-M & CPI,in propping us such a front.Communists and fascists coming together is quite unthinkable.Is it not friend???
After all her bail petition has been rejected and still she stands only as an "accused,but not a convict".
It might take a few more years,before a final verdict emerges one way or the other.This will not have any special bearing on the general elections!!!
MR.Nariman,if that be so,what is there for any one to grumble including the media.DONN''T you think that it is hypocricy at its worst friend???
MR.Nariman,do you mean to say they have a right to abuse it,not knowing either the content or context in which it was said???
MR.KRISHU,I understand it and fully appreciate your inner vision.I really congratulate your spirit friend!!!
MR.Nariman,the word of advice given to her cousin Varun, to read GITA "properly" used by Priyanka is more significant and relevant now.It does not go with convieniences to suit politics.What is the use of trying to defend the indefensible friend???
MR.Nariman,your post is self contradictory.The point is,as of now whether the EC has powers or not under the existing laws to apply.It is not a question of flexibility or not friend,which may or may not vary with times!!!
MR.KRISHU,may be you have a valid point there.But unfortunately it turned out to be a case of a schizophrenic,that needs appearantly prompt and proper treatment.It is really pitiable
friend!!!
MR.Nariman,It is Priyanka who took Varun''s speech very seriously,besides media and indulged in family rivalary,forgetting the fact that he too hails from same NEHRU FAMILY!!!
No sane person would take an ignorant one seriously, except the sychophants ofcourse friend.I just pointed at her pretences and false airs!!!
MR.bnashok,India is too vast a country,the largest democracy in the world with huge population only next to CHINA,and has a highly pluralistic society.
Yet if we have to search for a GOOD LEADER,either there is something wrong with the people or their systems!!!
Let this problem be analysed first with clarity and a solution would emerge next!!!
MR.Nariman,is it because we are all living in an "unbridled democracy"???
MR.babubhadra,all your good suggestions may materialise only when the "NAV GRAHAS" of our solar family appear in a straight line at the same time and stay put like that atleast for a period of five years!!!
MR.Nariman,without enhancing the comforts,the tall talk of providing welfare to "AAM AADMI" would become irrelevant and farcical too!!!
Except the media and the LEFT who are not direct partners alone are speaking about it in their dreams.What it is supposed to be only GOD knows!!!
MR.Nariman,Our views on this aspect remained the same since long.BTW!!!
Friend there were times when a single vote mattered to tilt the balances.It could be even a speaker''s vote too!!!
Now both can go to their deep slumber sleep happily!!!
If it does not,people can aclaim one to be a great leader.Unfortunately we have none at present which is a tragedy!!!
If not why not???
MR.minigaba,we do have all the laws to punish each and every criminal.But we lack the will to enforce them sicerely!!!
MR.hspuni,God saves those when they save others!!!
Who said it is, in the first place???
She continued further by saying "A PERSON WHO IS TRUTHFUL AND GOOD IS "RELIGIOUS"whether he is a Hindu,Muslim,Christian or Buddhist",not knowing that these are different aspects,which surely are not acceptable to SECULARISTS absolutely and totally!!!
SECULARISTS may do well to educate and advise her properly to remove any or all confusions from her mind!!!
All know that "time" is infinite and yet to be defined precisely!!!
MR.Nariman,all people in politics live in open palaces/spaces, which does not have any doors or windows.This facilitates them to touch upon the various emotions of people at will!!!
MR.Nariman,how are we sure that JD(U) would remain as a permanent ally of BJP???
PEOPLE HAVE SEEN WHAT POLITICS IS ALL ABOUT.
They fully know now, that it is a gold or dimond mine and hence the mad rush to join the politics,even if it is going to cost them crores of rupees!!!
We can also float a "dynastic syndicate or corporate" if only we perfect the art of spinning money,leaving the values and principles behind.Shall we friend???
...PROPERLY!!!
It would be of immense help for congress to get an absolute majority in the ensuing elections,when people see the illumination!!!
MR.Lavarajkumar,worry not for VARUN said he would approch SC for justice.His defense lawyers can keep all their ammunition dry for use!!!
MR.arch_prsh,Media is always subjective but not objective,for it needs to run for ever!!!
MR.KRISHU,It seems some party has promissed RS.one lakh for each.But it is not clear whether it is now or in future!!!
MR.achanm,it should not make any difference with the jumping frogs,whether they are indigenous or imported!!!
MR.Nariman,does this mean all are poachers and oppurtunists without exception including PM & Shadow PMs???
MR.Nariman,it looks like these fronts go on multiplying in GP.At least can we say the ceiling could be 543,as of now friend???
MR.Nariman,your point is well taken.But you know pretty well,that any power only flows from the constitutional laws of the land and constitution is supreme and more so in a democracy.None can assume powers,not granted by the laws!!!
All of us also know that "MORAL CONDUCT" happens to be just an agreement of sorts,but not a mandatory law!!!
All said and done the ECs are merely the employees of the government as is known!!!
MR.KRISHU,Good quotes.But the point is,why she does not go about preaching "GITA" with all her scholrily knowledge on it, to all the ignorant people across the country,either by joining an appropriate organisation or floating one on her own,as a firm believer of "HINDUISM"!!!
Did she forget the fact convieniently, that "Hinduism is all about Pluralism"!!!
MR.Nariman,the advice from Priyanka was to read it properly.What it means,God alone knows friend!!!
The names may differ,roles may differ, intonations may differ and situations may differ,but unfortunately the content is costant.
This is a very pathetic pattern prevailing in the social fabric!!!
Could this be altered at the earliest???
Experience tells us to wait too long to see the climax!!!
The unfortunate lot who cann''t afford the luxury of ACs,COOLERS etc,should find atleast cool shades,to avoid strokes in the ensuing months ahead!!!
MR.JeejabhaiDeshmukh,right or wrong,we all are prisoners of our own thoughts which mostly are passing clouds and hence the vacillations and prevarications friend!!!
MR.rebel,as we know, Hinduism (whatever it is) always encouraged divergent school of thoughts to flourish side by side at all times and has no fixed cannon,unlike some others.This is its beauty friend!!!
We also know that one should not judge the distant past with the present standards,for no two situations could be exactly the same.BTW!!!
They kept all their options open including supporting congress or receiving support from congress,just to keep BJP away from the saddle.To achieve this end they are prepared to stoop to any level,not out of any love for any party!!!
This only shows their weakness,but not their strength!!!
MR.dheerajpinki,all governments have their own priorities,the foremost being the security concerns.Heavens would not have fallen,by rescheduling these matches to a later date to avoid the overlap with elections.Obviously there appears to be a communication gap resulting in confusion!!!
MR.RCHANDER,What is the difference between religion and spiritualism???When one speaks about secularisim it means the religion automatically exists by its side!!!
There seems to be a contradiction,when you say that "communists are going to have their days as socialism is their religion".!!!
For your information in INDIA none is scared of any thing,except one''s own shadow!!!
Keeping aside its prides and prejudices,it would be more prudent for BCCI to reschedule the IPL matches after May 2009 and hold them In our country.
If it fails and opts for holding them in other countries, the central GOVT is duty bound to crack the whip aganist BCCI and ensure the cancellation of these matches totally now or in future!!!
One should consider oneself as a blessed soul for there would be nothing to decide by such a PM!!!
Indeed a golden advice from one who read it upside down thoroughly,and understood the core and purport of it fully,as it appears!!!
Wish it should also be shared with the people of this country,for transforming them in the right direction!!!
MR.Nariman,following your own dictum quoted often,they may be better of the bad lot.Is it not!!!
Any way we all agree that we have stink alone alround IN POLITICS presently,irrespective of its causing factors.BTW!!!
MR.Arun,may be they are trying to understand what should not be first before realising the ultimate last,by following the deduction process principle of "NETI,NETI"!!!
MR.rebel,these samhitas are no longer familiar to most of the people.For a majority of the people in our country they are all greek and latin or for that matter their existance itself is a news to them.
Better we start thinkinng about,the havoc being ushered in now, by all sundry people in the name of politics first,than trying to live in the past friend!!!
...AUTHORITY IS LEGALLY TENABLE AND BINDING ON ALL???
People are curious to know what precisely law says on this.The learned friends from the legal fraternity or even otherwise may like to comment in this regard!!!
Unless this question is first answered and solutions found by the law makers,jurists and media,people continue to
live in darkness each with their own perceptions!!!
Any reactions on this aspect would only be redundant every time when an incident occurs,for people continue to remain where they are till then!!!
But people are sure that they would watch a grand circus hence forth to their merriment!!!
On the basis of religions,castes,subcastes, classes,genders and linguistic basis etc,in their coverages.This style of reporting cann''t be construed as "cohesive and objective",viewed specially in the context of bridging the already existing divisions in the society!!!
People expect the media to contribute in a positive manner to improve the standards to begin with!!!
It goes with the psyche of one be it an individual,a group,community,party,society or nation.It basically stems from non existance of "uniformity or equality" due to inherent expectations and failures if any.
None is void of this psyche.Laws may try to contain it,but cann''t supress it or eradicate it in totality.Politicians exploit this weakness unashamedly causing and perpetuating the divisions!!!
This is the reality,whether one likes it or dislikes it!!!
Both have a tendency to unite and divide the society depending on the circumstances and by turns!!!
Earlier the better for it to wake up and avoid vote bank politics and converge in a constructive manner for the good of people and nation!!!
People wonder why so much furore is kicked up on normal moral code violations!!!
-TO UNRAVEL THE TRUTH???
Friends are requested to enlighten all others, for this happens to be a point of academic interest!!!
All know a community comprises of people of all shades and people do have varying perceptions on any or all issues/matters.The welfare of the community known as INDIANS demands acceptance of this reality,to adopt themselves to achieve the basic trust and convergence despite differences, for they have to coexist with one another!!!
All know this cohesion is not made possible due to mainly,ignorance of the people,ego clahes and greed,which the rulers unashamedly exploit to their advantage,by perpetuating all types of possible divisions in the community,forgetting the fact that no community exists without being communal,in any part of the world.
This is the most unfortunate part of human travails,at all times!!!
There are too many power centers in PAK and people are at a loss to understand whose writ runs there!!!
It appears that PAK happens to be the most unstable neighbour of us,with all the attendent risks to the world order as such!!!
None who talk about it have neither principles nor a common ideology,not to speak of any agreed common minimum programme.At best it is an attempt of all frustated oppurtuists to formulate one in the air!!!
MR.KRISHU,the post is good enough,for those who have an inclination to learn.THIS DEFICIENCY of the people is turned by the other benificiaries duly elected by the people to their advantage after the polls with manipulations of all sorts,to make it appear as a people''s mandate,which in fact is not the case.
If at all the people have to draw a lesson from the past sixty years of experiences,it is their choices are very limited in electing honest people mostly as their representatives.
The prevelant election costs incurred by each contestant in all elections,proves this point amply!!!
Even the GOVT levies the service tax on the services!!!
The difference is only in the use of language either by appeasing or condemning in the spread of hatred!!!
The people,social NGOs should also be involved in curbing such contingencies!!!
Sure the GOVT is alive to its responsibilities!!!
They consider ir it as a freak accident!!!
In their realm all are possible to suit their interests!!!
At least the CM does not think so,as one is ignorant of it as nothing of the kind is seen!!!
It becomes a mirage,when and where self interests rule the roost!!!
None can curtail this freedom of choice!!!
Let us not have any fears and wait for it!!!
All the others may have them!!!
This LEGACY of non-violence and values preached by him should be etched in the hearts of every INDIAN.What is the use of looking for discarded items left behind by him,while the people have forgotten him and hid preachings???
The PPAs often brings in their wake a very bad name and stinking smell to the democratic values/traditions!!!
But it is unfortunate though that talent and politics mostly tends to be a mismatch in the present day political styles!!!
This ensures both stability and prosperity!!!
Both have to shape their outlook and policies to meet the global challenges,of which we are a part essentially,being the largest democracy!!!
It is a most important task for GOVT,than to provide security for IPL!!!
They may have to find yet a right key to accomplish this task!!!
The Left (four parties group) is not a part of it.So is the case with BSP,BJD,who want to go alone.AIDMK did not attend the dinner meeting hosted by BSP''S chief Mayawati.None knows,how the grand alliance in AP goes after the polls.
For sure even if it takes place,it could not contest on a common election SYMBOL for the obvious reasons.
There is not even an agreed common minimum programme and all are going tangential with their likes and dislikes of personalities,but not policies.To put it more precisely, it is just a loose cannon.
None knows the shape of things to come after polls,with so many jumping frogs in the field!!!
Since about the last TEN days or so!!!
Indeed a pitiable situation.Let us all hope that the human spirit would overcome these barriers soon!!!
They are in hunt for power either by hook or crook at any cost unfortunately.It is time for all to have an introspection and come together for the "welfare" of the people,which should be the ultimate goal of every party.National interests are paramount!!!
Fot ultimately the tax payers have to invariably
pay for it!!!
Law and order is a must for any development.None has a right to intervene in the life styles of people in a democracy!!!
But the fact of the matter is none could be self reliant 100% more so in a globalised economy or even otherwise,for all are interdependent on one another!!!
MR.Nariman,it all depends on through which side of the prism one is looking at.When we say "divisive politics" they are not confined to religions only,they are equally applied to class,caste,creed etc,considerations too!!!
MR.Nariman,we have an accepted policy of seize and squeeze which could be put into operation by the IC!!!
It happens mainly due to rise in population and the resultant pollution,because of an uneven development!!!
But no listeners!!!
Before one could see the day light!!!
Love is no exception!!!
It should be strictly dealt with in conformity of the laws of the land!!!
People hope on each occasion that the next budget would herald a new era!!!
From a government which is certain to lay down office shortly!!!
This is just not possible as per our own constitution itself!!!
However the issue should be debated thoroughly at appropriate forums!!!
When analyzed for reasons,what comes to the forefront at all times remains a feeling of insecurity,culminating in a "power possessive attitude" to ward it off!!!
To all those involved for dereliction of their duties,without any hesitation what so ever!!!
Whether one is active or dormant!!!
1.Born leaders.
2.Manufactured leaders.
3.Self proclaimed leaders.
It depends on where the people would like to fit them in ultimately!!!
The first one aims at ushering an awareness and the second one aims at imposing punishments for non conformances!!!
All know no single issue could carry conviction with the people!!!
MR.Nariman,it is fully understood.As we know,none is without emotions and issues as such have no emotions friend.All exploit all types of emotional states of people.Have we ever seen elections any where void of emotions friend???
MR.Nariman,all parties raise an emotional issue to catch votes,be it "AAM ADMI,AYODHYA,LAND ONLY FOR TILLERS,FREEBIES PROMISSED BY ALL PARTIES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ETC".
Yes,no single party gets even a simple majority in 2009 LS polls and it is going to be a kichidi government again!!!
MR.Nariman,it is nice of you to admit that BJP a non-existant party as you put it,has gained ground now,what ever be the attributes!!!
MR.Nariman,for all practical purposes the 26/11 case is a gone case.At best it could be of academic interest only now!!!
MR.Nariman,appeals are normally made by the effected people.The NHRC or NCW could go in appeal.The governments usually go for appeals only after the judgements if it wants to.
Remember the SC also gave certain directions/guidelines to be observed while granting bails specially with regard to cases which may not warrant punishments below seven years!!!
It does not have any other option while facing evil forces!!!
They are bored to hear the stereo type "duets"in a static posture!!!
OR OTHER SENAS ETC,whose spread extends to more than one state???
All indulge in name calling and mudslinging only.
Did any party put forward any time bound or concrete proposals in terms of "development,welfare,employment,education,security and safety of the citizens,reforms in all areas,toning up of administration,eradication of corruption,self reliance in defence etc"??? None has put it on priorities atleast.All speak in vague and general utopian terms unfortunately!!!
Time for people to wake up to question "on specifics", their representatives or leaders,when they come too woo your votes!!!
People should demand as a matter of their right to say if they want,that "no candidate is fit" to be their representative,both in the old and new systems of voting(EVMs). If the majority tells so,fresh elections should be held in the constituency,after disqualifying all those who contested earlier!!!
A truly welcome feature to curb endless litigations!!!
Humanity has been too large,to take them on at all times and succeded to restore peace and order!!!
MR.Nariman,his matter has not even come up for trial in the lower court as yet.So where is the question of any one appealing further???
MR.Nariman,all others are there to fool the electorate,even if BJP is not there!!!
MR.Nariman,I don''t think it is their single stance which brought them the electoral dividends.More than their stance,it is the follies of congress and others,which culminated in it!!!
Now that they have multiple stances like others,let us see how people would give their verdict and subsequent formulations that are bound to take place,in the race for power!!!
MR.Nariman,if the age is not the criterion,none need to grumble,when people over 70 years,phisically fit and mentally agile can all contest the elections,assuming that this will not attract provisions of discriminations,not allowed constitutionally!!!
MR.Nariman,in the first place this is quite unrelated to the topic.Even then,for comparisons it could have been more helpful,had you furnished the data of other cities,in this context,and the source of such a statistical information!!!
Can we expect this even now from you friend!!!
This matter should be left to the people,unless the government has reasons to impose the restrictions!!!
All people in 21st century should abhore this old trade!!!
No single stance can brighten the poll prospects of any party.One shold have the other stances too.Any way the people will be the ultimate judges in all elections!!!
But this process should not end up with further social divisions,in election after election!!!
It is not a question of the individual alone,but a principle!!!
It followed the foot prints left by others!!!
The IC should come together to remove this scourge aganist humanity,lock stock and barrel!!!
MR.jeejabhai,your valuble experiences,in this context,provide us the guidance.BTW!!!
Unfortunately,Nothing inspires us except self interests!!!
MR.Nariman,we have a provision in our judicial system, to go in appeal to the next court till the full bench of SC gives its final verdict in all such cases!!!
MR.Nariman,Your are right,but these are the subjects beyond the comprehension of poor/common people or for that matter,most of the intellectuals even, who are not conversant/familiar with the subject!!!
MR.Nariman,you are absolutely right friend!!!
MR.Nariman,neither it is first of its kind nor the last.Whatever be the forms of government,enforcement and conformance to laws makes all the difference friend!!!
This classic case amply proves this point,when the fraudsters are being treated like VVIPs in jail/custody!!!
MR.Nariman,we all know what they all mean to the common people,in action!!!
Evidences are to be gathered to successfully prosecute the culprits!!!
Instances could be instantaneous but our judicial process is laborious!!!
MR.Nariman,prepoll postures are different from the postpoll pictures.The reality is people mourn the loss of the dear for a while,and return to their normal life styles there after friend!!!
Coalition compulsions have their CMPs,whatever be the nature of "oppurtunistic groupings" either prepoll or post poll!!!
What matters in politics, is to have power at any cost!!!
This is the most funny part of INDIAN politics!!!
1.INDIA slams PAK.
2.PAK slams INDIA.
3.US slams PAK.
4.PAK slams BANGLADESH.
5.BANGLADESH slams PAK.
It is good all Grand slams thus far were in
N-V positions!!!
Since most of them walk into our country either with or without passports and Visas freely!!!
The question is why no convictionS took place in those cases so far and who are his gaurdians/protectors,since BJP said it has nothing to do with this RAMSENA???
To assertain and analyse the facts,before any conclusions are drawn!!!
..PRINCIPLE on a preagreed "quota system" for all posts!!!
This will help to eliminate divisive politics and ensures peace and harmony in the society without any acrimonies!!!
MR.Nariman,agreed that it is "the" problem!!!
MR.Nariman,pride leads all before their fall as we know.After the fall, they go in search of brides(excuses).This the most fasinating part!!!
MR.Nariman,BJP did pay the price for its follies!!!
As to how best it could avoid working at cross purposes!!!
MR.Nariman,you are right with the principle!!!
MR.Nariman,We may have to wait and endure, till the people get fully frustated or a noble leader emerges from and out of the people!!!
After a dark night,the day light invariably follows friend!!!
MR.Nariman,the laws provide it!!!
May be it is high time for the concerned people to apply their minds to redress this lacune friend!!!
Madam,in my considered opinion,people who ramain as mute spectators when a henious crime is committed or injustice done are the true sick people!!!
We,the people can do wonders,if only we are alive to these situations and do our duty as citizens!!!
This has become a daily common feature in our country as we all know INSTITUTONS are "abstract" without people!!!
MR.brijeshdev,It is not a charity to be given.It is the bounden duty of the society/GOVT,to provide safety and security to all its members/citizens!!!
The worst outrage is the "bystander''s apathy" of people, when an outrage is being committed!!!
MR.Nariman,we call "ignorance is bliss".Any way one has to pay for their acts ultimately,which ever way we look at it friend.As we sow we reap.We may circumvent the man made laws,but not that of nature!!!
MR.Nariman,in a nutshell it means all are sinners and we are yet to see a (non-existant) real saint!!!
Agreed without any qualms friend!!!
However,one has to pay the price at some point or the other,in some form or the other, for the violations!!!
MR.KRISHU,it is a pertinent question to be taken note of by all the concerned!!!
MR.Nariman,in such cases of mob violence,just a delay of two days is understandable!!!
MR.Nariman.manifestos are mainly meant to take group photos while releasing them waving their hands.How many of the members of any party had an oppurtunity atleast to see them,leave alone understanding them.They are only well crafted or drafted words and nothing else!!!
I fully agree with your last sentence friend!!!
MR.Nariman,if it happens it should be welcomed,for every defeat in its wake sets an introspection process,with added humility!!!
MR.Nariman,''am in full agreement withthe point!!!
MR.Nariman,it applies to all,for our INDIAN culture happens to be the same.The beauty lies in the "subject" but not in the "object" the predicate being the same friend!!!
MR.Nariman,But the poor man does not know,his final monthly expenditure when added up, is on the rise by leaps and bounds!!!
MR.Nariman,it seems the "confusion" is a unique characterstic of our culture!!!
This is a matter to be closely looked into by all concerned agencies to establish the facts!!!
MR.Nariman,let us not mix up issues.One relates to conduction of elections, where the election commission collectively, takes any or all the decisions!!!
The other one relates to appointments and discharges/removals,of persons,which are purely administrative in nature!!!
MR.KRISHU,you are very right with your conclusion.I may like to add the next step after dictatorship is only "Anarchy" going by the history itself friend!!!
MR.Nariman,my post does not relate to his controversial letter,but to the other two letters
in which the "most welcome and well meaning suggestions" made by the CEC in all fairness friend!!!
There are no time frames for making some good suggestions by any one and more so for a CEC
while holding office or even otherwise!!!
It is upto the courts now to deal with it!!!
So it opted for the route of "Red tape" raising querries to delay its response as long as possible!!!
Of course this is after laying down the offices in the election commission.
He also made a suggestion in one of his two more letters sent,besides the controversial letter, to amend the constitution,"BARRING ANY CEC OR EC" to join any political party for a period of ten years,from the date of demitting their offices in the election commission!!!
Both the suggestions are credit worthy.Let them not be politicised too,which were made obvously in the interests of a healthy democracy!!!
Of course this is after laying down the offices in the lection commission.
He also made a suggestion in one of his two more letters sent,besides the contraversial letter, to amend the constitution,"BARRING ANY CEC OR EC" to join any political party for a period of ten years,from the date of demitting their offices in the election commission!!!
Both the suggestions are credit worthy.Let them not be politicised too,which were made obvously in the interests of a healthy democracy!!!
MR.Nariman,with the given attitudes in our country,none laments,even if lives are expendable,unless it touches them.Only then they raise their voices,lead protest marches,even going to the extent of damaging the public properties!!!
Can you please tell,why we should have violent or non-violent protests here,whenever some thing happens some where unconcerned to us though,all in the name of humanism.Do you mean to say that Indians are no humans,when they were held hostage,by a group prepared to kill them or killed them???We all know how MUFTI''S daughter was saved from their clutches!!!
No friend.Atleast we agreed that there should not be any double standards???Didn''t we???
MR.Nariman,there are defeciencies and I fully agree with what you said.I always said there is room for improvement in any system and no system is static friend.This is all the more reason,why we should have reviews of all systems, at regular intervals to see how best or how worst
the introduced systems are functioning!!!
The people alone have to say it loud and clear,when their elected representatives err or fail, either in their attitudes or approches.Let us accept the fact that no reform or rvolution would succeed,without people''s active participation friend!!!
MR.KRISHU,You are right.I only hit the ball for a sixer,to drive home the point that we do not need a fresh stringent law,when ever a law has been defied.
If any action is to be taken,it is aganist deriliction of one''s own duties or functions,friend.BTW!!!
TO restore confidence of people in these two institutions in our democratic set up!!!
LAWLESSNESS TO PREVAIL in the society once again.People wonder why this " ABOUT TURN ",now!!!
They also wonder,the law being the same,why should there be so many differing judgements from court to court and from bench to bench!!!
In the long run this may not augur well both for the country and people!!!
This is ideally preferable,for its "dynamism,vision,experience/maturity and will" to usher in the much needed changes from time to time.
They should lead the youngsters by imparting the right value systems,and should not hesitate to seek advices when ever and where ever needed, from elders or seniors in taking the nation forward.This would be a good blend at all times!!!
What lacks is only enforcement and compliance!!!
people elect their representatives to form a government to effectively govern and administer to arrest any violations,for the good of the people!!!
MR.Nariman,we often hear about mortality,brutality,casuality,legality etc,but very rarely about morality.It is good you brought this most forgotten word to life again friend!!!BTW.
They all speak of our efficiency and effectiveness in delivering the justice ultimately one day or the other in course of time!!!
MR.Nariman,it could have been an ideal situation,but painfully "LAWS are in shelves and
MORALS are in pits"!!!
It is for the people to prepare their balnce sheets at the end!!!
People are pleased with it and thank them profusely!!!
MR.Nariman,it is a people''s government and power is in their hands.If they misuse the same,for small petty gains,when the oppurtunity knock''s on their doors,they have alone to blame themselves for these sorry state of affairs across the country!!!
Hope all parties would put into practice this rule in the issue of tickets to their candidates in the forth coming general elections,to start with and set up a healthy precedent!!!
Only then,any meaningful welfare measures could be initiated and stability established.No government can function,when a gun is put to its head!!!
Power to "recommend" is different from the power to "decide" on a matter,either way,with the attendent risks,and the responsibilities,that lie with the decision maker alone!!!
Say for example,our judiciary and election commission,which depend largely on governmental budgettory allocations to run their establishments!!!
Unless this great legal anamoly is eliminated,totally,there is nothing much left to take pride, that they are independent institutions,away from government and answerable to the prsident alone!!!
MR.Nariman,we need to have the periodical reviews
of our plans,policies,proceedures,rules,regulations
implementations and the age old laws etc!!!
If necessary by amending the constitution for acting in the absence of PM/CM,should any such situation arises,to "avoid a vaccum" in running the government/administration.This lacune should be addressed on priority,than leaving it in the air!!!
This may usher in a new era!!!
Friend,as you should also be knowing,one of the meanings of culture,besides others, relate to "customs of a particular civilization or group!!!
What ever be the name,one cannot deny that "such customs did exist in several civilizations and various groups in the past".
Friend,this was discussed and is being discussed.The laws are in place to punish in all such cases!!!
Friend, views are different from actions.We can agree to disagree,but there cannot be two opinions on disapproving the lawlessness,what ever be the cause propounded!!!
Friend,punishments would come only after trials and sentensements.What is wanted is such elements should not be let free,till the trial is over!!!
Friend,agreed.Each and every action cann''t be construed as a reform,for reformations should be constructive,aimed at refinements,but not degradations.
Certainly Violence is destructive in nature and the government should put it down firmly!!!
Like what friend???
This is the most amusing part!!!
They are bound to result in contradictions and confusions diluting the main issue itself!!!
Wish him all the best to progress further quickly.
The question is,in what way this is going to help the world now???
Let the GOVT act fast on the matter!!!
Through out the country,and shut down all the activities connected to the "extraction,production and consumption with no reservations"!!!
It would have been more appropriate had he said it on health grounds.But even then it is of one''s choice,but not a thing to be imposed upon!!!
It is where all pluralities,dualities merge into a singularity!!!
For their main votebanks get depleted for certain!!!
MR.Nariman,an endless search is nothing but wasted efforts friend!!!
The judiciary should go by merits while granting bails to these people,but nut automatically and in a routine manner.They should use their discretionary powers to turn down the pleas for grant of bail!!!
The legal fraternity should also raise to the ocassion and help in speedy disposal of the cases!!!
The history tells us,it has been the fear born out of "Might is right" principle,which individually they are unable to face,and hence the need for a system to collectively face it,for their protection!!!
When a government fails to live up to this fundamental expectation,and ensure it,people wonder,whether we need a government at all!!!
It matters little to them whether the PM is from LS OR RS for this falls under the domain of the constitution and its provisions!!!
MR.Nariman,scams do exist in all systems with greed as the constant factor.But in democracy,which has a open society,they are trumpeted mostly,reaching high decible levels.This is all the difference friend!!!
MR.Nariman,this proposition will not be acceptable to both sides as every one knows friend!!!
MR.Nariman,it may happen even in the short term friend going by the trends!!!
It existed here from times immemorial,which fact cannot be denied!!!
Let all gracefully accept this fact and not create unwarranted and unnecessary ruccus in the society for their petty political gains.This has been our native culture as well, and not an imported one!!!
Let us hope better counsells would prevail to put an end to the ongoing sordid affair!!!
MR.Nariman,when the people have elected a government,for a particular period,it automatically means they gave their assent for it to take all decisions and govern for the good of the people!!!
But where people fail to shoulder the responsibilities,they tend to pass on the buck,by resorting to such gimmics,only to gain time to hold on to their chairs as long as possible,not that they are necessary friend!!!
MR.Nariman,it is not what X,Y,Z has said that matters,but what one does when in government!!!
MR.Nariman,even lord Shri Ram would not have approved such despicable approches and incidents.
These are all highly deplorable perversions friend,which should be stopped in their tracks forthwith,by the respective governments!!!
MR.Nariman,when in panic,specially in emergencies of these sorts,people find it difficult to communicate properly up and down,specially when we have a lengthy higherarchy and naturally this has been a systemic failure!!!
This is a continuing process!!!
Governments would do well to open statewise training camps and hire the services of these hooligans to train the force,which avoids the need to go in for costly equipments for the force!!!
Efforts are on to set up a world record of sorts
evidently!!!
However with good governing/regulating measures,
it may try to reduce the impact of such shocks!!!
As they have turned out to be "immoral dens".This is a healthy precedent in the direction of good governance,instead of passing on such a credit to all sorts of SENAS!!!
If some think they have the right to have their freedom of action,government has more freedom to curb any or all immoral activities!!!
MR.prabirdatta1,Obama administration has now made its intentions,as a logical follow up,by openly declaring that it would not assume any sort of mediatory role in J&K issue.
This itself is a "welcome departure" from all the former administration stands taken hitherto!!!
They do believe that it should be that of GOVT''S.
If not they would like to be corrected by the concerned authority!!!
MR.Nariman,a democratically elected government need not go for "Referundums" on each and every policy decision it makes with in the framework of constitutional powers ,for it is its main responsibility friend!!!
It may follow next friend!!!
We pay just a lip service to them and do not hesitate to serve the criminals more and stoop to any level mostly to serve the self interests
unfortunately!!!
He just goes his way!!!
This is the prayer on behalf of all people.
The actions will follow next.We do not want to have "double standards" in public life.Our constitutional laws are liberal and more humane in confering the civilian rights even to "Terrorists" to proclaim we are "holier than thou"!!!
Now how they get translated into actions,is to be seen!!!
What structural changes PAK GOVT would do,to alter the matters in future is an interesting concern for all nations!!!
MR.Nariman,did I ever make any statement that only a particular system is perfect???
As for the comparisons which is superior or inferior,more often than not,they are only subjective ones!!!
MR.Nariman,we can adopt a "No nonsense" approch, only when our people have the right attitudes of bravery and sacrifice.If only the relatives and friends of the passengers in particular and people in general had sttod up to the challenge then,this episode would not have happened at all!!!
But unfortunately people mostly by nature are "Hypocrites".This weakness shall be exploited by others at all times!!!
MR.jeejabhai,some "envy them" with all knowledge.
This is a pity friend!!!
MR.Nariman,yet to see a flowing river with "fragrance" friend!!!
Hope always leads the people and any or all improvements in this direction, should be cherished and appreciated!!!
Better they are left to the government of the day
at all times and places!!!
MR.Jeejabhai,pity the supressed man cast down!!!
MR.KRISHU,all actions are motivated right or wrong!!!
All can hold on to their beliefs.Nothing wrong in it friend!!!
People should be happy about it!!!
People hope some good may flow from the follow up actions!!!
One can understand its financial resources!!!
If the answer is "yes" they only deserve the commensurate punishments.If the answer is "NO",what is there to discuss???
One thing is certain.It will be a coalition GOVT once again!!!
INDIA at all times extends its hospitality to both friends and foes alike.We abide by the dictum "Hate the sin,but not the sinner"!!!
Congrats to ATS for this speedy work!!!
Our politicians have only "ideas" to service their interests,but not "ideologies or principles" to serve the people!!!
One is yet to find it in absolute terms!!!
The truth is all beings do live with some sort of violence or the other in this world!!!
MR.Nariman,forget not the fact that the IC has veered round finally to our view that this a bilateral issue to be sorted out,and the same process has been going on with Pakistan to resolve the issue!!!
None need to poke their nose in this context,more so the LeT which has been banned by the IC as a terrorist outfit,which just started singing a new tune today,which is in no way connected to the issue.!!!
MR.Nariman,the fact of the matter is,it is not made available for all as yet!!!
MR.Nariman,if scam after scam is not there,how can one meet the costs of election after election???
MR.KRISHU,how are you sure that the constitution is going to be amended,after this SATYAM case???
Who would like to leave the green pastures,which feed!!!
MR.Nariman,how can we expect it in a highly corrupt society and unfortunately, people''s contribution for this sorry state of affairs is not in small measure either???
MR.Nariman,as we know this "free for all democracy" is in operation only for a few,on a selective basis,and still ramains as an exclusive ZONE of the previleged class,but not for all!!!
MR.Nariman,nothing of the sort happened since you made your post.!!!
MR.Nariman,shoud it bother us in moving forward!!!
MR.KRISHU,agreed you have a point there!!!
Friends,read the word as "VIABLE INSTEAD OF VIOBLE" typed in a hurry.Sorry for the mistake!!!
MR.Nariman,your post is contrary to the stands taken by you,in the name of freedom of expression
when some of the artists hurted or insulted the sentiments of lot of people in our country earlier and instead called the protesters by all names!!!
Why these double standards friend???
Their intention is to avoid all unintended consequences otherwise!!!
Knowledge being unlimited has a tendency to cause
turbulence otherwise,much to the chargin of politicians!!!
The youth should thank their stars for ignorance is a bliss for them!!!
MR.Nariman,yes making laws endlessly is no solution as you said.But the their implementation has to be taken care of by ensuring a good governance alone!!!
MR.Nariman,which is the other perfect system to replace it,for we all know that money plays a vital role,in all types of systems???
It would make as a single entity, the region more stable,economically more vioble and politically more formidable to ensure peace and prosperity for the people!!!
Who knows he might win an OSCAR shortly!!!
MR.Nariman,we have two options.The first one relates to an "uniform implementation" of the laws,with speedy disposals of the cases aganist the offenders!!!
Alternatively,in a "free for all democracy" it is desirable to dump the constitution and its laws into the dust bins,there by avoiding any botheration of implementations!!!
If we adopt the later course,atleast,we can make INDIA a "great tourist center",where all can do what ever they want most cheerfully, while the country can generate all sorts of employment and earn the most precious foreign exchange!!!
MR.Nariman,you are absolutely right friend.The trouble arises due to "selective approches" with either bending, or amending or breaking the laws,which should not be the case!!!
MR.kmahmed,because of our positive thinking only,I happened to post the facts,which you have also confirmed now.There is no doubt we have to co-operate with each other,as we are living in an interdependent world.
Your feelings are understandable,when you brought in the unfortunate episode of "samjhota" express.As you pointed out, in both the versions as given out,they stand as allegations only, which need to be probed in depth to establish the truth,which should be welcomed by us all!!!
It expects INDIA to do more in connection with the investigations.It has put the ball back in INDIA''S court!!!
Needs no further comments,in this context!!!
It is supposed to be an "Age group affinity"!!!
INDIANS,specially the youth of the same age group,should treat it as an honour confered on
INDIA,the largest democracy in the world!!!
This much has been made clear by the confidence reposed in it,by investors,customers and employees!!!
The fact that the new board has not asked for a bail out package,confirms it.As for the rest the laws will take their own course!!!
INDIA agreed finally,for a transperent trail of the culprits OF 26/11/08, in PAKISTAN,BY GOVT OF PAKISTAN!!!
Now none need to have any tensions!!!
This automatically negates a joint probe.Sure INDIA''s co-operation can stretch to any length and is unlimited!!!
The IC appreciates this noble gesture!!!
May be the recent visit of the foreign secretary of UK to both PAK & INDIA was to convey this message!!!
The BRITISH foreign secretary also said it was counter productive.If that be the case,did he visit both PAK& INDIA to convince them now, about its futility,to safe gaurd its own interests???
The classic example is the "double standards" hitherto followed,by the very people who called for a collective "war on terror" when it suited their interests,but not that of others!!!
One can fight an open enemy,but not the hidden enemy,unless one busts the shelters and shelterers totally!!!
All agree that war should be a last option, to "restore order and peace",but the options should have a clearly specified time frames,be it collectively or individually,lest the tall talks tend to be irrelevant at all times!!!
Any agreed precise answers from the governments on either side,given their stands to convince the people???
MR.Nariman,this is what happens,when the laws are either circumvented or totally ignored with unbridled freedom,by the self seekers,where there is no fear of a speedy trial and commensurate punishment!!!
MR.KRISHU,Change is part of the dynamic nature.For good or bad, time alone reveals!!!
MR.KRISHU,Those wre the days where leaders and people stood for values and sacrificed mostly with a single direction and goal to attain independence!!!
Gone are those days and all know what kind exists now, friend!!!
FROM "RULE OF THE WISE & LAW ABIDING CITIZENS" TO
"THE RULE OF WHIMS AND FANCIES BY DESPOTS & LAW DIFYING CITIZENS"!!!
This goes in a cyclic process step by step.
This happens to be tragio-comic saga of humanity!!!
And also during the remaining 3-4 months tenure of the current government!!!
Friend,it seems GOVT formed a committee to go into the affair as usual and directed them to give their report with in three months.Now it is clear where it would lead us,without any solid actions!!!
MR.isumulukutla,PAK made it clear,in the first case there is no extradition treaty between both the countries and in the second case it said,only information was given to them,but not the evidence to try them there.
So what next friend and where do we go from here???
MR.Kanamula,your point is valid,however,as is known,"corruption" assumes several forms,to influence both thoughts and actions,in pursuit of a goal always!!!
But mostly they do plump for popularity for the simple reason,people fall a prey for cheap tastes!!!
MR.KRISHU,Not a bad idea.But we have about one billion people before us waiting in the que as you also know!!!
MR.KRISHU,Both of us do not have either the money power nor mustle power to be in politics,which is the reason why we joined the
group of so called opinion makers!!!
MR.Nariman,where else can we derive such a great pleasure of "singing such a melodious tune" after each and every successive SCAM???
People can go to and sleep in perfect peace with such rocking lulbies!!!
MR.Nariman.where "corruption" rules the roost,such disasters strike too often as we have seen.
We all so know, nothing much happens after that and all tend to forget them,allowing the culprits to move around happily,to committ more crimes!!!
It is for our government to sit together to decide on the "firm actions" it itends to take aganist PAK,and also speak with one voice!!!
Any delay could prove to be quite detrimental and fatal too, to the national interests!!!
It is for our government to sit together to decide on the "firm actions" it itends to take aganist PAK,and also speak with one voice!!!
Any delay could prove to be quite detrimental and fatal too, to the national interests!!!
THAT THEY WILL NOT HAND OVER ANY SUSPECTS TO INDIA???
Time for INDIA to sort out its own fixations and course of actions!!!
MR.KRISHU,a concised response was posted above, aganist your message more or less on the same lines.
The statement of MR.BUSH should be read with the content and context friend!!!
MR.KRISHU,your question is very much relevant,but as a part of the Global terrorism,which should be faught without any reservations,collectively if possible or individually if not feasible!!!
Well friend, we all know the disease relating to the Kashmir problem was "partition" of the country,the root cause of it was an "identity or affinity" to the religious faiths and the "right medicine for treatment" lies in achieving "unity"!!!
When we have cases of "unification" of divided states across the world,none need to wonder, if and when the same could materialise in our case as well.BTW!!!
They can take pride in having set up a record of sorts!!!
Which is not the case.It is a global fight aganist terror by all countries.
One should not forget the fact that "Terror has several forms and the fight is not a one time affair"!!!
This needs to be done at regular intervals,to ensure transperency alround,for the health of the economy and to safegaurd the interests of the investors!!!
It is not enough we make the laws,but the governments have to constantly monitor how they are being implemented too!!!
Now people can relax!!!
IT is no different from Bank officers strikes.
All have a right to strike.Government has a right
too to deal with it as they deem fit.Judiciary has a right to entertain, if a petition comes before it on the issue.Public has a right to agitate.Police has a right to enforce the laws to maintain the order.Media has a right to highlight any news!!!
All enjoy the rights and prefer to shirk the responsibilities!!!
This has been it''s stand ever since 26/11/08,more or less!!!
It seems there are too many aspirants for this post!!!
It has thus far proved to be a LLL!!!
How he did grow stronger and larger with every step which was awesome!!!
This change should not prove to be only cosmatic!!!
This is democracy!!!
They serve no purpose void of actions!!!
..OF THE GOVT,with regard to the non-implementation of the over due, revised pay scales till date, as assured!!!
This is both unfortunate and unwarranted!!!
Probably it could be any thing,but not surely black mail!!!
Hope you are quite comfortable in your present work environment with no vibes,for sure, you have avoided friends from that finance department!!!
May God bless you!!!
They are not even concerned about others or their owes.
Strange is the logic of humans!!!
MR.Nariman,can you tell why should the situation come to such an impasse and who all are responsible in the first place for such a situation to develop???
We know that one can blackmail the other,only when a grave wrong was done by that other and not otherwise!!!
No wonder, for a fuel crisis is a random case,while the former case is a never ending process!!!
MR.Nariman,only a high power committee could look into this complex issue and to make suitable recommendations for course/systemic corrections!!!
UN remains only as a convienient tool at all times,to be driven by some power or the other!!!
This shows either its ignorance or audacity or both,for the reasons better known to it.
Now the question remains what actions could be taken by the "International community and India" aganist Pakistan,for its flagrant violations of the norms,which includes its own committments made earlier,and if so when???
-What is the use of scoring self goals,specially by the gpvernment time and again.This only shows that we do not have any "automatic administrative mechanisms" in place to take care of all such situations!!!
It is a pity!!!
All are waiting to see for further actions to emanate from it after fully going through the 26/11 evidence!!!
These could be black spots,but need not be construed as set backs for INDIA INC alone.
However,such undisirable instances provide the governments and their regulatory bodies,an oppurtunity to plug the loop holes in the working systems and legal grey areas,if any, for good!!!
Specially when it is read with the fact that its NSA paid the price,for revealing it!!!
EMOLUMENTS,OF ALL,WITH THE RISE AND FALL OF "COST OF LIVING INDEX", on a quarterly basis instead of having "committees & commissions"at regular intervals of five years+.!!!
This saves precious time alround and needless strikes,besides improving both the "QUALITY & PRODUCTIVITY" of work,in all fields!!!
This is a fact of life proved time and again any where!!!
Very rarely prevails and this is an undeniable fact of life!!!
The risk factors are always there,ASSOCIATED WITH MONEY whether they are INCs or LINKs!!!
At the same time,it should not hesitate to conceed the reasonable demands at the earliest,from the chapter of demands presented to it.
It is the job of any government to end any manace
in their country/state!!!
An experts committee may be appointed to find out ways and means of avoiding the recurrence!!!
We all know there are always two sides to every thing, either merits & demerits or advantageous and disadvantages.To avoid the misuse,the people need to observe self restraint basically!!!
We are equally quite habituated to lodge our protests after each such event!!!
Time for all parties to put it back on track!!!
Some deadlocks are only to be solved in time,after they get rusted!!!
INDIA''S "WILL to fight aganist terror" will boost
the NIA!!!
This is the most unfortunate part!!!
MR.jeejabhai,we don''t attend uninvited functions,unlike you friend!!!
MR.Krishu,but the great paradox is, PAK pretending as if it is a victim of India''s designs,and our government is walking into the trap with defensive denials!!!
This is to convince the IC, that it is reasonably restraining itself,not to precipitate matters and diturb the "peace process",WHICH IS UNNECESSARY AND UNWARRANTED!!!
MR.Nariman,any actions on options are likely to be considered only after our LSP are over,for the obvious reasons.As it seems till then, the the "war of wor(l)ds" would ccontinue,in all probability!!!
MR.ismulukutla,our constitution bars "sedition" and demands for it are punishable as is known!!!
MR.KRISHU,they are automatically covered under people!!!
Wishing every one a "Happy,peaceful and prosperous new year".
The IC should take note of it,what good neighbourly relations we maintain,despite provocations!!!
This aspect should also be included,in the terms of reference for the panel''s probe,for a detailed study and analysis!!!
The international community should take note of it and INDIA should put an end to this "words game being played alround" specially after the 26/11/08 terrorist attacks on our country,to enable it to excercise its own options,without loosing time any further!!!
This makes their position crystal clear in this regard!!!
It would have been more appropriate for the centre to order for a detailed probe!!!
They are not "admissable evidences" in courts as per law either in PAK or INDIA!!!
But how about the purported proofs furnished by US & UK to it, on which PAK is silent???
MR.Nariman,when we say "vibrant democracy" it could either mean a "matured democracy or an emerging democracy".The difference lies while it is more harmonious in the case of the former,it is more disharmonious in the case of the later.
The mindset of our people still revolves round the "Monarchial system" of the yester years.Though our constitution has adopted a western "democratic system" of governance,the people are not yet fully prepared mentally to adjust or adopt to it!!!
It is this belief of the people,which has resulted in the "Dynastic politics" mostly in vogue now!!!
In this context,the views of ARISTOTLE makes an interesting reading!!!
An apt quote that fits well with Gita saying!!!
MR.jeejabhai,people welcome your "Inagural garbage post" and expect many more from you friend!!!
It is true that we are getting stronger with every event!!!
Even after more than a month''s lapse,the situation,in this regard remains "As is where is" basis!!!
People would love to see this in force, at the earliest!!!
..TO SCORE A POLITICAL POINT, WHEN HE SAID AT INDORE,that "Unlike BJP,CONGRESS DID NOT NEGOTIATE with the terrorists(Kandahar hijack case)", there by implying,that congress was fully aware of the fact prior, to the "impending attack on 26/11/08 at MUMBAI"!!!
As if this is not enough,he asserts,that he stands by what he said at INDORE.!!!
People wonder what would be the response of UPA government,in this context!!!
Friend,more than the qualification,it is always the orientation towards the development that counts chiefly!!!
This is the most funniest part of human nature!!!
Our consistent "MANTRA" AFTER 26/11/08 has been only "PAK SHOULD ACT"!!!
For democravy to take deep roots.Best of luck for Ms.HASINA led front!!!
This connotes that we did not have a good governance in the past since the dawn of independence.Looks strange!!!
It believes the day is not far off!!!
People know very well,which issues they take up seriously,but being the stranded passengers,they are helpless!!!
For it followed a middle path as compared to the others!!!
This is a very logical question indeed!!!
If he/she does not act,it comes under "derliction of duty" under the laws!!!
It may augur well for both the people and the state!!!
MR.Nariman,no government would go publicising its intentions widely in such cases.No further comments!!!
They shall be duly noted by the IC!!!
A murder as alleged has been committed by an MLA
of her party and the matter is under investigation by the UP government,allowing the law to take its own course!!!
Nothing much has changed ever since he raised it, on the ground,except for some somersaults by Antulay,Govt and the congress in a funny manner!!!
Nothing much has changed ever since he raised it, on the ground,except for some somersaults by Antulay,Govt and the congress in a funny manner!!!
We have also kept all our doors and windows(options) open.Is this not enough???
But there is no player in the field,for all are running around the field chasing one another providing lots of amusement to the roaring spectators!!!
For them to understand the meanings of the words/sentences before attempting any translation!!!
It will only lead to anarchy where "Might alone is right" void of any laws!!!
Congress should make clear its stand on this issue without any further delay,in its own interest and the interests of the NATION!!!
For all times in upholding the our FLAG to fly high with dignity and honour!!!
Leaders led the people earlier.Now people lead the leaders.The success or failure depends on the people,while lecting their representatives(leaders)!!!
Let PAK end its duplicity for time is running out for it!!!
MR.Nariman,the difference lies in the fact that the terrorists,as you also said cannot be compared to ordinary criminals and hence the need for "tougher laws applicable to terrorists and terrorism as a distinct category"!!!
However,We share the same view point with regard to effective implementation of the laws!!!
It may be trying to ape the three proverbial apes!!!
Relating to its omissions,comissions and committments,much to the dismay of the International community!!!
The central issue has come back to square one!!!
This is beside the new laws!!!
They will not let go any oppurtunity to score!!!
The idea behind it is only to ensure natural justice!!!
This was brought in under public and media pressures,just to satisfy them that something is being done!!!
Likely to end up thoroughly bruised as the similar ones we had already!!!
For a better understanding and peaceful environment!!!
Or else the very spirit of sports is lost!!!
It is not visible in PAK!!!
This is supposed to be a "friendly warning"!!!
None needs to have any doubt on this issue!!!
INDIA IS KNOWN for its immence patience!!!
you are right in that,what precisely need are "attitudinal changes alround", for the good of the people,specially where security concerns of the people & property,are being attacked by both external and internal sources, which need to be addressed on a high priority!!!BTW.
As this arises a question of jurisdictions and methods to deal with them,since the problem is universal!!!
UNION CABINET HAS APPROVED IT AS "NATIONAL INVESTIGATION AGENCY (NIA)" and shortly the bill may come up before parliament.Centre has also given its nod for an amendemner of CISF act!!!
But its contours are yet to be made known by the government that entails a worthy debate before the final decision!!!
MR.Nariman,it matteres little in our political ethos and standards!!!
This noble spirit should be up held at all times
with constant vigil of the people coupled with the vision of the government!!!
-That alround efforts are on in this regard.Let us all hope that in their wake,the best of the results would flow out!!!
MR.Nariman,it would be naive to think that these
terror camps stand as "monuments" in the same place and position, in the realm of time forever!!!!
Good food for thought and sleep!!!
If not,All know the consequences in day to day life itself how the relationships would get affected!!!
MR.Nariman,it is well known that now single party is going to take the power at centre.One thing sure is the major national parties of CONGRESS & BJP are going to be the rallying points either prepoll or post poll alliances!!!
Given the circumstances it is often said by LEFT leaders,the possibilities for a non congress and non BJP third front appears to be bleak,though they did not give up the hopes yet!!!
In short,in these circumstances only the "oppurtunists" would alone be the king makers or queen makers once again friend!!!
MR.Nariman,when one looks at the magnitude of work load involved in evolving composite and coherent policies and their implementation,in this process,one can safely conclude that it takes at least one five year plan if not two to accomplish it.Of course we all know this would be a long term plan!!!
How ever, as a short term plan,the government should look into,how best,it could have an integrated and well co-ordinated federal system to enforce the existing laws without let up and complecency with full accountability!!!
The fight aganist TERRORISM is a global affair!!!
Time for the concerned courts here or there to take it on record during the trials to bring the culprits to book at the earliest!!!
Probably these could be unfolded in the near future!!!
MR.Nariman,one need to understand the Geo-political considerations that play the main role in bringing about the changes, at all times!!!
MR.Nariman,these balancing acts are not knew either for it or the world!!!
MR.jeejabhai,you are absolutely right!!!
MR.Nariman,words fail me to comment any further on the sorry state of affairs!!!
MR.Nariman,what you said could be a last resort for the powers that be to act upon as we all know!!!
MR.Nariman,when these outfits could change their names,opening of new accounts should not pose much of a problem.As you said flow of funds would continue either directly or indirectly.As for busting these outfits,both the options suggested by you do have unintended consequences!!!
Friend,all are waiting with hope and infinite patience, for that "somebody" to arrive on the scene!!!
With vision and full clarity, avoiding the grey areas, to serve the intended purpose effectively!!!
HM SAID IT WAS INTELLIGENCE FAILURE : PM SAID IT WAS LACK OF CO-ORDINATION!!!
IT IS TO BE PRESUMED by people, that they are all speaking in one voice to contain
"TERRORISM"!!!
They say they would go to PAK courts.Who over rules whom is the ???
Is this going to be a curtain riser???
MR.Nariman,in this process PAK has to ensure its own nationals do not become stateless actors!!!
MR.Nariman,along with it,INDIA has opted for the
alternate route of going through the UNSC!!!
IN BOTH THE HOUSES,TO THE PUBLIC, WHILE A VERY SERIOUS DEBATE ON "TERROR" IS GOING ON!!!
People are ashamed to see the "indifferent attitude of their elected representatives" in
putting up a unified face,to face terrorism,as though it is none of their business,which the whole world witnessed!!!
People are also wondering "what earthly purpose" would be served by passing an unanimous resolution in both the houses,with such meagre strengths,void of any seriousness!!!
Will it not tantamount to insulting those who are sacrificing their lives inorder to protect the lives of such people???
But this will be after discussions in parliament,as per indications, which is quite unwarranted!!!
Instead, it would be ideal that the leaders of the parties meet in the chambers of the speaker to finalise the resolution and the same be passed in parliament unanimously, with no further discussions,which would send the right signals to all concerned!!!
With the requsite modern equipment kept at their disposal!!!
MR.Arun,please understand how and when, one could blackmail the other!!!
As they are based on emotions which cannot be sustained for long.All know it and more so the politicians!!!
MR.abhi1112,the fact of the matter is, we continue to remain in the same elementary school,trying to learn our basics,even after about 60 years of independence unfortunately!!!
In the ensuing general elections we are going to have several players kicking the dust alround,in which the so called "secularist''s vote banks" would result in a division,specially when a third front formation is very much on the cards!!!
Any way ultimately it finally depends on various permutations and combinations to aquire the seat of power!!!
People are going to be the mute spectators witnessing the final scene!!!
One has to wait to see who will emerge victorious
finally!!!
But possibly it may be pondering over the matter
"where,when and how to begin with" in accomplishing the same!!!
Firstly it says,give us the evidence of our nationals involvement and we will try them as per our laws!!!
Secondly it says,it cannot hand over the terrorists of INDIAN origin,residing now in Pakistan,as there is no "EXTRADITION TREATY" between the two countries.
In short PAKISTAN is reluctant to part with the alleged terrorists to INDIA!!!
We have a "PPB" nexus which is very difficult to break,however much we may try,in the given circumstances!!!
THE SHIP!!!
The captain steering the ship will rely on the map and compass,to take it to safe shores!!!
As he happened to be one of the main contributors
for the loss of power to congress earlier!!!
1.The country affected could fight back in self defence on its own.
OR
2.Fight back with international co-operation.
The choice rests with the government of the affected country!!!
It all depends on who allies with CPI-M or vice versa.CPI-M and the LEFT are proved to be no different from any other oppurtunistic political parties,in pursuit of power.
This is the state of our politics and politicians.Great indeed!!!
Friend, all this may help to usher in an awareness among the public and could be introduced in the educational curriculams begining from now on to serve in future.
But Countering terrorism as such, is a long drawn out affair and is of a different kettle,to be dealt by the governments!!!
It is for the governments,to channelise the
people''s energies and active participations to meet the challenges,posed by this menace!!!
It is VERY MUCH desirable to fix a qualification for all the contestants to be elected by the people, in an election in the "initial stage" itself.
When one gets elected from such people,and by the people,it is upto the CM OR PM to choose his team of the council of ministers,not necessarily,more qualified amongst them,which tantamounts to "discrimination"!!!
It is quite tragic,some other''s hearts out of
greed for power,unfortunately go after votes!!!
The best way is to stop talking and start effective functioning!!!
This will go a long way to meet the requirements
at all times.
TERRORISM is the single evil that affects all and in all countries in some form or the other.Suggestions could be many.This should be faught unitedly by all the countries,with all the forces at their command.The right platform to deal with it is UNO!!!
It is advisible to make it a collective effort,either under the auspicies or with a mandate from UNO without any further delay!!!
More than the elections,what is needed now atleast,are the long awaited systematic changes in all spheres expeditiously!!!
MR.Nariman,well we know that precepts/concepts are different from practices every where!!!
MR.Panner,a simple question to you.Why did you not refer these people concerned as "INDIANS" or
"PEOPLE OF INDIANORIGIN" in your post???
MR.Nariman,the heavy fall/slide, in oil prices from about $136 to about $55 with in two months or so disproves your logic frend!!!
Regarding the price rise in other commodities,it is not attributable to any single factor,as they follow a production and demand pattern generally!!!
The question is simple.Where is the gaurantee that other countries ships/trawlers aquired by hook or crook, are not being used by the pirates,to cover up their henious acts???
MR.Nariman,the existance of "equal oppurtunities
is quite different from economical existance of equality".
Market conditions do prevail in all economies,with the difference the state determines the prices,say in communism,which are known as "administered prices",while the producer fixes them in capitalism known as "competetive prices".
Friend,in the later case,It is possible,we are likely to have the "lower prices",there is no such possibility in the former case!!!
THE "SILENCE" OF OUR PM in this context, could be a coalition compulsion!!!
THE "SILENCE" OF OUR PM in this context, could a coalition compulsion!!!
After all a "crime is a crime" and need to be curbed at all times!!!
MR.Nariman,"Frustation" for any one,any day is the exit point!!!
MR.Nariman,this is not a theme,but a principle!!!
They are all the birds of the same feather and what they talk depends upon,on which side of the fence they are!!!
MR.Nariman,freedom of speech,expression and action,have been guaranteed by the constitution,as long as they do not violate its other laws or provisions!!!
Most of us have emphasised on this aspect earlier in several cases!!!
If the agencies created under our constitution gets "demoralised" at the throw of a hat,the people have only to cross their fingures and wait!!!
MR.Nariman,it basically ensures equal oppurtunities for all to grow, out of their own free will!!!
It is upto the individuals to motivate themselves to choose their paths for progress.People should be happy that no theories or dogmas are being imposed on them.How to grow is their concern!!!
MR.Nariman,well it is a known fact that the media lives on sensational news items,and their interpretations and inferences are to be taken with a pinch of salt,for they are no gospels!!!
MR.Nariman,I draw no distinctions as long as the laws permit their activities,for all are sailing in the same boat!!!
MR.Nariman,at the outset,let me clarify,that I am no supporter of any specific "ism"!!!
Now coming to your querries,firstly,all "isms"
are people centric.There are humpteen theories which could be the best one and people friendly.This has to be decided by the majority of people!!!
Secondly the fiancial packages announced by any GOVT are supposed to be need based ones,involving the taxpayer''s money what ever be the case,just like the "waival of farmer''s loans to a tune of RS.76000/= crores,which are non recoverable!!!
Thirdly, the companies,be it an industry,trade or bussiness etc,do constitute lakhs and millions of people taken over all.In extreme situations,like the one, the world is facing now,if they are not bailed out,the result would be besides "unemployment" for all these people,it runs into billions of sufferers,when their family members are also considered,it is going to be a gretest "human calamity" friend!!!
Under the circumstances,it would be the responsibility of the government,irrespective of its "ism" to which it belongs,to raise to the occassion to mitigate the suffering of these billions of people,as a priority!!!
Regarding "Tax payers money",most of the people who coin these words often, are no tax payers friend,and it is to be discuused seperately!!!
I may emphasise here,all such situations call for an "over all view"!!!
Absolutely away from any interferences and temptations of all sorts,to ensure "impartial and proffessional enquires,prosecutions and judicial verdicts"!!!
Sure the GOVT may have its own reasons to act!!!
It could be a set back to ATS for all of them are
out of their hands currently!!!
This is what is called as "unity in diversity",
even when the people and nation are confronted with grave threats!!!
MR.Nariman,if what you say is true, can you please tell, as to why the the financial stability of erstwhile communist countries,where every thing has been fully nationalised,went haywires causing the collapse of "communism" itself???
TO ensure the same and uniform growth rate to all.These ideals remain on paper only!!!
It may also be pondering over the matter!!!
He is a man of rich and varied experiences,in coming to this conclusion!!!
This is to protect a lot of the affected people
indirectly though!!!
Any seeker would know it!!!
There is nothing that could be done from our side
in this reard now!!!
MR.Nariman,who is afraid of whom???Even assuming that some are afraid of some people it could happen from both propenents and opponents friend.
It is all the more necessary to examine the case,in the light of the "caption"of yours,to ensure natural justice friend!!!
CBI denied it ever sent a report about the involvement of VHP''S President MR.DR.Togadia to begin with!!!
When the ATS produced some of the accused in the court today,some stated that they were tortured and their confessions obtained,under duress and others may be in the denial mode of their alleged roles.The curtain is being raised for the "TRAIL" in the court and it would be quite interesting to watch there, the ensuing "twists and turns" in the case!!!
More so in India.There is nothing new in it!!!
In a democracy it is always the people!!!
To substantiate the charges in the court!!!
MR.Nariman,it appears that we have too many loope holes and grey areas in our systems,which are being exploited by the people to their advantage.
Besides this,we have "Corruption ruling the roost" from top to bottom,in all constitutional institutions,may be with very rare exceptions here and there.
What good and betterment can the ordinary people expect,in such a situation!!!
Assuming this could be true,in what way this is connected to "MALEGAON" blasts conspiracy???
MR.JEEJABHAI,IT SEEMS YOU CHERISH "HATRED AND ENIMITY",MORE THAN THE HUMAN RELATIONSHIP!!!
Well it is your choice friend.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,your caption is apt and right.People would like to know "what precisely is being hidden,by whom it is hidden and for what purposes it is hidden"!!!
PROMOTES SONAL SHAW in his transition team.
It looks like,"litigations and politics" are our daily bread and butter,where ever we are.
Should we be proud of this great culture and traits???
1)PM took the opposition leader into confidence.
2)NSA along with I&B chief is going to meet
MR.L.K.ADVANI,the opposition leader tomorrow
to brief him.
3)ATS chief of MAHARASHTRA,distanced and delinked its investigations from other blasts being talked about,but for passing on any information which it may come across, to his counter parts in other states.
Had all these been done earlier,a lot of unwarranted talks from all sides,could have been avoided.Any way better late than never!!!
It is hoped,that these constructive approches,
in the interests of the nation would continue unhindered even in future,between the government and the opposition leader!!!
MR.Nariman,my caption of the topic applies to all and I stand by what I said that the terror "suspects" are entirely of different kettle or fish,since they stand out distinct from "other ordinary criminal suspects" friend!!!
It is a different matter that both catogeries have only one thing in common,as the saying goes that " all are innocent,till their guilt is proved.!!!
Her acceptance of the offer made,shows alround maturity.
All our best wishes.
MR.Nariman,all of us either here or there want an "impartial investigation by ATS,without fears or favours" and this has been the consistent stand of you,me and every body!!!
BUT FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY,"too much of focus and publicity" is given to this case,keeping all other terrorist attacks aside,whether it is a selective leak or media''s speculation,coupled with our guess work in trying to analyse the available information and nothing beyond!!!
We did agree that it is advisible that "ATS or for that matter any investigative agency" should not go public,during and till the investigations are completed and charge sheets filed.But this is not the case to be.!!!
The information of bungling caused by both ATS & PROSECUTOR, about the use and diversion of "RDX" in some of these attacks gave the game away,
leading to suspicions about the investigations itself!!!
As if this is not enough,ATS chief made some interesting points to the media today, which may cause further confusions.Is this publicity necessary at this stage???
To confound the confusions, certain "phtographs" were flashed again today, about possible and probable personal linkages to some of the accused,which indicates there could be a "Hindu-Muslim" tie up or link too,in this case,going by the earlier logic of the ATS!!!
Needs no further comments as of now friend!!!
With all sorts of ideologies,theories and dogmas!!!
Indeed a very pitiable situation!!!
Why should we have these double standards in every walk of our lives? Is this the begining of wearing a protective shield for future contengencies???
Both the clarity and context are lacking.This may please be looked into!!!
What better gathering could we have to tackle them???
MR.Nariman,why this sudden U-TURN friend? when we say "communal parties",they relate to a community only!!!
MR.Nariman,let us see who will cut a sorry figure finally.No problem in waiting and watching any number of years like several others friend!!!
MR.Nariman,I follow the line uniformly, friend!!!
INDIA is a free land of wonders,where any one could speak as he/she likes,and yet could get away with it.All are possible here!!!
As we have seen in several cases in the past,which failed in the courts more often than not!!!
This much is clear from the ongoings so far!!!
The principal suspect Dewas based "Sunil joshi" is dead(murdered around 29th December 2007) as learnt,for reasons unknown and the culprits unknown.
Only guess work on claims remain!!!
This is for economical reasons.But who knows the president elect may after all decide to stay put for a longer period,on political grounds,specially in the wake of a threat to him by al-queda now!!!
All say it should not be politicised,but are doing just the opposite to meet their ends.
People are at a loss to understand as to how many agencies are going to investigate or interrogate,the suspects,including several commissions in the offing,in the same case!!!
This baffles every one!!!
No conclusions MR.Nariman.Only trying to analyse the facts as given out!!!
Quite understandable friend!!!
MR.Nariman,it is just like a cat thinks none is watching it when it drinks the milk pinched!!!
They will lead the people no where.There is a saying that "one can fool all the people once,some people all the time but not all the people all the time"!!!
People are going to prove it right shortly!!!
It said neither the Indian government nor the UK
government have proscribed them and as such no restrictions are in place for their visits under their law of 2000!!!
Any answers from the UPA government and their secular friends in other parties,in this regard???
It is more advisable to work out the necessary plans and arrangements in this direction.Sooner the better!!!
It is upto the people to come out of them or sink with them!!!
ALL professing "violence" to usher in a "revolution" by the barrel of a gun,putting poor people to a great suffering!!!
This is to recall that a late senior communist leader procliming that their participation in democratic elections was only a "SHIFT IN STRATEGY"!!!
It is cristal clear whose fronts they are!!!
A through probe is needed to bring forth the truth,as to "who is funding these militant outfits,and what are their sources for the aquisition of the arms"!!!
will the governments both in states and at centre act in time and in concert, to curb these "Militant outfits" spreading the culture of "violence" across the country, to be read with their political links???
MR.Dolfin,enough exposures could also be seen in
N''Clubs!!!
An apt quote MR.KRISHU.Expect some more fine quotes.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,disagreed.Humans are also part of the "nature" and just like we have a violent nature in its behaviour,humans also have a violent nature in their behaviour.
The laws are the same in both the cases as they are integral totally,completely and absolutely friend!!!
Do the people there find it more inspiring,interesting,emlightening or amusing???
MR.Nariman,their inceptions is totally out of context.It is good you said, all the organisations were "implicated" in various commission reports!!!
I laud you for high lighting this.But you did not say what happened next in following them up by various governments,inorder to ensure due punishments to the culprits were handed out.!!!
This means obviously,that they do not have any concrete evidence to prosecute these people or cases.All these have "gone with the wind"!!!
MR.Nariman,this is just like which is first,the seed or the tree/plant.If any one can prove it,this riddle could be sorted out.We can wait for the answer endlessly!!!BTW.
MR.Nariman,even the government and media did not prefix it in all the earlier instances.Had it been done,the same would have been appreciated for applying "uniform norms"!!!
Even the other countries who were affected by the worst terror attacks did not prefix it.
Why now is the ???
MR.rebel,how could this be an insult to our democratic system,as long as the democratic laws or systems permit it???
MR.Arun,demoralisation cannot set in a highly motivated and disciplined armed forces!!!
This can only set in the bewildered political parties!!!
How ignorant are we all???
In steering the ship out of this turbulence,to the safe shores,despite the non-co-operation proclaimed by some!!!
Each pole has its role cut out in dividing the society.These Multiple poles to cover up their henious plots for the sake of power, "pass the buck to religions and cash in on the raw emotions of their followers"!!!
WHO IS NOT PRACTISING THE "DOUBLE STANDARDS" FRIEND!!!
MR.Nariman,this means our''s is not and we have to go a long way to deserve it!!!
MR.Nariman,the name calling is also quite invitable in a democracy.It is a game played by all parties,not that there is merit or content in all such cases!!!
MR.lavarajkumar,all this means,there are several flaws or grey areas in our constitution, and its institutions which came into being.The vested interests are fully exploiting them to their advantage!!!
People may have to wait with bated breath,till they get a new one replacing the existing one,for there is no other alternative. (TINA)!!!
MR.jeejabhai,fighting in elections is different from fighting for national interests!!!
As for the second part of your statement,away from sychophants,people have an option to cast them aside during elections!!!
MR.Raziuddin,none has compromised on terror to the best of my knowledge!!!
This should be faught collectively as you said!!!
Strange are the ways of people!!!
TO BE IN THEIR CUSTODY for introgation purposes on HYD blasts,Gujarat Blasts and SAMJHTA EXPRESS
blaststs.In all likely hood all other states too may follow suit,starting with Tamilnadu,Karnataka,Kerala.AP,UP,MP,WB,ORISSA RAJASTAN,ASSAM etc!!!
May be this was what the congress spokes person MR.TIWARI had in mind when he talked about having a "Multi disciplinary force" to probe into the matter!!!
People are going to witness a grand show shortly!!!
Naturally MR.Nariman.They need to do a lot of work to ensure that the charges are backed up by substantial evidences which would hold water!!!
MR.KRISHU,Truth bursts out like a volcano at a time of its choice and none can contain the Lava that flows out!!!
The observation made by the CJI recently in this context on simiilar lines should be taken note of by all concerned in our judical process,friend!!!
MR.Nariman,well it is also a course and it goes on and on till it reaches its destination,whatever it is.Is it not???
It will not suffice and a lot of it need to be gathered to prove the case!!!
MR.Nariman,political violence should be contained first to achieve the other!!!
MR.Nariman,the communities are integral with the system of governance, in all societies and nations and stand out with their own identities,which cannot be eradicated as we all know!!!
MR.Nariman,the investigators have a way of their own to sieve all the possibilities before they zero in on one!!!
All INDIANS pray for one to dawn on the scene who inspires them and reforms the miserable conditions in which they live in!!!
These links are there in all religions as we see!!!
MR.Nariman,it is also a way of life.Is it not???
MR.Nariman,if it is a collective one,we do not call it as a "Mastermind".It could be a "conspriracy",prompted by a Mastermind!!!
MR.Nariman,in its course,it may encounter certain barriers,but none can stop its course!!!
If ever it happens,the consequences for the nation are unimaginable!!!
This defiance of the laws appears to be a sort of genetic problem!!!
All the divisions in the society and nation would automatically disappear and their energies channelised in building up a glorious nation!!!
This is an example of "living on borrowed strengths" with little efforts to make our nation self reliant.This means we should have our own plans,designs,manufacturing and assembling units in all areas.This does not however rule out the essential imports of materials, where needed!!!
This is to affirm our strenths lie in avoiding high dependency on others,but not otherwise!!!
MR.Nariman,when one speaks about "SOCIAL or ECONOMIC EQUALITY" it is only about capital distribution and nothing else.When we say "HAVES & HAVE NOTS" it relates again to Capital!!!
This reminds one of RAMAYANA times as potrayed!!!
Any or all changes for good should be welcomed,specially in the context of a change of team compositions in both countries in 2009!!!
They stand as claims and ATS is going round in search of the evidences to make a colourful garland later!!!
MR.Nariman,you did not deny.But your silence on the events prior to 1992 and emphasis on events after 1992,speaks for itself friend!!!
MR.Nariman,it is said that in a democracy the government means,it is "By the people,of the people and for the people".You are quite right.People would stop all the exploiters for political gains!!!
MR.Nariman,we have several forms of violence and it need not be essentially communal.How about sidelining other important lines,other than violence,which devours us all fully,if they are not contained at the earliest???
Friend,it may be more appropriate to reframe this question as "DO I MATTER"!!!
MR.Arun,efficiency is not a constant factor.All sorts of assumptions and presumptions are at work.The investigations are not yet completed for the judicial process to set in.The final say has to come.
Well,it is a long drawn process, as we all know!!!
It may melt down due to global warming soon!!!
These have become quite routine.Nothing special need be read into these incidents!!!
They are at a loss to understand as to what they are witnessing,much to their dismay!!!
MR.LAVRAJKUMAR,people will dispose of the mercy petitions by all the parties in no time.
But the time visits them once in five years,hoping all goes well till then!!!
TRUTH cannot be revealed the way one wants!!!
The Moon mission is successfully completed.Let all people celebrate the ocassion!!!
Are they expanding/advancing or shrinking???
The reason for the human travails appears to be linked to retardations and lack of co-ordination in thought,word and action.This is chiefly attributable to preservation and expansion of of "self interests" starting with an individual to a family,a group,a community,a society and nation and these are all aquired identities and affinities,where in lies the seeds of frictions and conflicts!!!
This is on the physical plane.Now this becomes the most intriguing question " Are humans shrinking or expanding" with their aspirations,ambitions,aptitudes,attitudes and approches in life???
MR.Nariman,It is my confirmed view that all political parties have been practicing the vote bank politics.Can you deny this fact???
As I said earlier,and I repeat now once again,it is always the Politics which cause more divisions and hatred in the society than by the religions.Politics go by the principle of "Devide and rule"!!!
This principle stands for ever any where and at all times friend.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,the last sentense of my reply to you below makes the point clear!!!
-EVIDENCE to prove their charges finally in courts!!!
This way it may be a good service by helping them to establish the truth!!!
MR.Nariman,globalisation is not confined to mere economics and it touches every aspect of the lives of different communities as well,with all the inherent psychological bearings!!!
What is globalisation without people and their involvement in the respective societies friend???
She has the talent,tenacity,grace,poise and charm to occupy the most important seat,which may eventually turn out to be an asset in foreign policy matters!!!
Things keep changing every moment,just like our moods!!!
MR.Nariman,the only doubt that remains is who could stop it???
The simple answer is,"it is the people alone"!!!
MR.Nariman,how can you forget the fact that we had the "communal riots" in different parts ofthe country,"much before 1992 Rathyatra" and various commissions appointed,for which their reports are gathering dust in the Archives!!!
I agree fully that this madness has to be contained,if not possible to stop entirely!!!
Friend, we have gone through this mill several times,with all parties indulging in the name calling games.
It is most desirable atleast now, to forget them and forgive each other in pursuit of a full reconciliation to restore harmony!!!
MR.Nariman,this means,one can not say conclusively, that the global violence taking place in all countries is communal violence only.Is it not friend???
MR.Nariman,you came very near,short of explicitly telling "the same applies even to the so called communal parties as well, Uniformly"!!!BTW.
MR.Nariman, all start a picture, to make it a "super duper hit" at box office and about more than half (50%) of these continue to remain in the cans itself as incompleted ones.
We also know, about 40% of released films are flops, and the other 5% could be so,so.Finally only 5% of the pictures may make a grade of super hits and out of them one or two pictures alone become "super duper"hits.
Now it is upto one to draw the conclusions just going by the "initial grand publicity" given!!!
MR.Nariman,the reports indicate that it was a government decision but not as a permission from courts to aquit them.
Any way it rests with the government to withdraw the cases from the courts,but when this is done on the election even, will have a bearing
on the electoral prospects!!!
MR.Nariman,one may circumvent the laws of the land,but not the "laws of nature" and Newton''s third law happens to be one among them!!!
It seems there is no mechanism to link them to corresponding ruling prices from time to time,which touches all!!!
MR.Nariman,then why not dispose after all the mere "25 mercy petitions" on priority,for they do not run into lakhs??? Or do you think they will not be disposed at all during their life time???
JUST IT IS A MATTER OF DECISION,but not an investigation again afresh friend!!!
MR.Nariman,the very fact we have been discussing about violence even to day of 21st century A.D,in a more civilised world order,makes it quite clear that it can never be quelled permanently!!!
MR.Nariman,they did and all did condemn in a formal manner,but we find the difference in emphasis,which is forgotten entirely later!!!
This is just like sending a greeting card or making a formal condolence resolution!!!
All are practicing "double standards" without exception friend!!!
This is the question worrying every citizen of this country!!!
MR.Nariman,let us wait for the final call "It is curtains",and also hope it will not end with anti-climax!!!
MR.Nariman,the curtain has already been rised.People wish it should run with speed without any drag,to its climax!!!
This much could be seen on a daily basis in some parts or the other of the country.Common people are the worst hit.The police force is not excluded either, for an action taken or not not taken by them!!!
MR.Nariman,this does not answer my specific question posed and Your effort to circumvent it,is nothing but a diplomatic deflection of the issue friend!!!
Let us face the facts squarely!!!
MR.rebel,it is amusing to note that all problems have solutions and every solution leads to a fresh problem!!!
Who has been sentensed by the SC for his role in the terrorist attack on our parliament house!!!
The delay is going to be indefinite!!!
They say it is going to be a big flop at the box office!!!
When this opens up, the secrecy surrounding it and the curiosity to see what exactly it is vanishes, calming the minds resulting in peace!!!
MR.Nariman,all in the country said to punish them after "proving their guilt",to the best of my knowledge!!!
Sure,in the theatre of the absurd,one will not come across a "straight forward statement"
like the one above!!!
MR.rebel,one can make many notes on incidents either nationally or internationally.What have you to say for the ghastly incidents that took place or taking place,else where,where no communal polarisations simply do not exist???
Any comments on this!!!
MR.Nariman,you can''t just "clap with one hand".
All are responsible for this polarisation and the resultant sorry state of affairs!!!
MR.Nariman,the polarisation took place in 1947 itself and it is not of today''s making as we all know.Let us not kid ourselves and be honest to accept this historical fact!!!
MR.KRISHU,I am geatful to you for your blessings and prayers.BTW.
MR.Nariman,people are seeing where their apprehensions are leading them,forcing them to committ mistake after mistake.
If overconfidence caused the fall of NDA,Pride and prejudices may cause the down fall of UPA in 2009!!!
This is what exactly our enemies want.Let us not walk into the traps set up by them.The need of the hour is for all political parties to stay together,keeping aside their prides,prejudices and party interests,in the interests of the nation!!!
This is a part of our legal system!!!
MR.Nariman,that MR.OBAMA got elected to the highest office,braving the odds,proves a point.
Let us give credit to the man,where and when it is due ungrudgingly!!!
MR.rebel,it was a long time to have your coments friend.While what you said is good enough for future,the fact remains that he did electrify a nation and its people showed the "spark" in him,
undoubtedly!!!
MR.Nariman,no extraneous considerations should creep into the ATS investigations,as the case has to be proved in a court of law finally!!!
MR.Nariman,miss not the "farcical drama" being presented as a serial now,by the "political theatre of the absurd" to provide a lot of funfare,free of cost,to fool the public!!!
Looks like that it makes one spell bound,for there is no dull moment at all!!!
MR.Nariman,think it is a "misguided missile"!!!
...THE PEOPLE AND NATION on " caste,class,language and religion" basis relentlessly, to serve their self interests!!!
MR.JEEJABHAI,it is a very pertinent question for which the answer lies only with the people ultimately.But our systems do have their own grey areas, to which our law makers turn a blind eye and refuse even to review them!!!
Thanks for agreeing to it friend.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,the facts are yet to be established.This is what we all hear from them relating to all other cases or they do maintain
dead silence whenever it is inconvienient to them to condemn!!!
Friend,all such sorts of things do happen,when people go to their slumber sleep,refusing to wake up due to lethargy!!!
MR.Nariman,the same line holds good for all.The laws should be applied uniformly but not selectively to suit the political ends!!!
MR.Nariman,the topic is about a leader of quality but not about the type of democracy!!!
The leader of quality has to emerge,but as you rightly mentioned it is futile to search for one!!!
MR.Nariman,it is good he has been arrested now.Friend it is not the time left out that counts,but the right action taken that matters!!!
This has been the position since 1950 onwards culminating in chinese agression in 1962.The rest was a part of history so far!!!
MR.Nariman,well this is the reason why most of the cases fail in courts and the culprits walk of freely with aquitals as we see!!!
MR.Nariman,what you said would be appreciated,if it was not an adhoc one and rests on compliance to due proceedures only!!!
As of now we have none of the former,but a lot of the later!!!
THE STRENGTH OF A LEADER is derived from fearlessness,which is born out of love only but not out of hate friend.
Hate is the fire that burns the one, who posesses it first.Your message itself is a proof of it.Any way thank you.BTW!!!
As a running comentary on 24X7 basis without any let up,by various people,even before any investigation is launched with no substance and valid content at their hand???
How the investigation proceeds later is any body''s guess.The best answer to any question from any quarters should be "No comments please and thank you"by all the concerned people assaigned for the job!!!
This should have been the usual routine answer administratively.If some one violates this norm,it could be for other reasons obviously!!!
Better it is left to UPA or for that matter all others, how to navigate themselves!!!
It is their business!!!
Friend even assuming it to be true,what is wrong with it???
They say "are not our family members" Indian citizens,eligible to contest in the elections and occupy high offices!!!
Their point too is relevant in our present set up!!!
Let us wish it god speed and all the success in
bringing forth the truth,in the interests of the nation!!!
This has been amply proved by the AP CM,who admitted even before a charge sheet was filed, that "the arrests made were a mistake",and released the people rewarding them with compensations,in connection with the HYDERABAD blasts!!!
MR.Nariman,glad you answered your own questions
posed else where,by quoting NEWTON''S Third law.BTW!!!
Sure the ARMY has its mechanisms to deal with such grave incidents to uphold its integrity and image!!!
The Indian team also bid him a fantastic farewell
by presenting him a 2-0 win in the test series aganist Australia the world champions!!!
All indians respectfully bid the same and wish all the best to him and his family!!!
It is to be seen whom it is going to cost much!!!
People wonder whether the CM is habituated to make off the cup statements too often!!!
This should act as a precedent for all others,not to take law into their own hands!!!
Wish the SC would order for a "hefty rise in fees" for all PILs,making it impossible for each and every one to file them as a matter of routine farce!!!
If so,the theories hitherto built up so far, suggesting linkages to "BJP & SANGHIS" fall to the ground!!!
People do not see any difference.They only know that hate begets hate and love begets love.They also know that where one begins the other ends.
Yet,they stand helpless and carried away by the undesirable emotions!!!
The earlier the people realise this truth,it would be better for them and the society!!!
He came out with this retort,when MR.KAMAT the minister,in presence of CM in a meeting said,that Bal Thackeray be arrested for trying to provide legal assistance to a terrorist!!!
Can his challenge be met or not should be seen!!!
MR.Nariman,the point has a circular motion!!!
We all know the elections are round the corner.To hold on to an office is better than not having one,for they are not sure of winning once again!!!
MR.Nariman,yet we proudly proclaim from roof tops that we are the most civilised people with highest patience.we like "self deception" as it seems!!!
MR.Nariman,I made my point very clear as to should be desirable from the investigating agencies,during the course of the investigations,down below friend.Needs no comments any further I suppose!!!
Fully agreed MR.Nariman!!!
MR.Nariman,well it is for the CPI-M to come out clean and confirm what it meant!!!
MR.NARIMAN,Because of certain statements from the investigative agencies themselves as given to media!!!
I fully agree that the final chargesheet would speak for itself!!!
The law will take its own course!!!
It seems the disconnectivity of the links is more pronounced now with things going tangential.
It would be interesting to watch how the puzzle is going to be resolved ultimately!!!
To stand aganist a trail in courts.Any way it is a long way yet to go!!!
It shows our institutions and working systems in a very poor light.Instead od getting shocked we should be ashamed by it!!!
More so in the cases of national concern,during the course of investigations,till a charge sheet is filed in a court of law,to avoid any confusions and attributions,in pursuit of natural justice!!!
Released all of them with compensation.Who can say that congress is not impartial???
There is none among the ones who inspires!!!
There none among the existing ones for sure!!!
Is it due to lack of any evidence or is it for any political reasons???
Be it state,national or international!!!
We all wish to see it in practice!!!
Because of the different democratic styles in governance!!!
May be in a different form and context officially!!!
When it demanded a thorough probe into these blasts now,while all others including the HINDUTVA forces demanded it the moment it surfaced.
Better CPI-M now educates all others about"HINDUTVA"!!!
When it demanded a thorough probe into these blasts now,while all others including the HINDUTVA forces demanded it the moment it surfaced.
Better CPI-M now educates all others about"HINDUTVA"!!!
Very true.The issue has to be finally judged by proofs/evidences, which are beyond doubt!!!
MR.Arun,the armed forces are known for their highly disciplined behaviour and conformance to the laws,which remains as a model for all others to follow.This image should not be altered!!!
If there are any other system failures due to bad or poor governance,they should be addressed earnestly by the people,by dumping the rotten apples in the dust bins as garbage and replace them by the best ones!!!
To guide the people on a righteous path.How true!!!
The same holds good even now and may be for ever!!!
There is not much to worry!!!
The principle is the same.Only the backgrounds may slightly vary!!!
MR.Nariman.it is quite unfortunate we had it now and I fully agree with you when you say it is to be nipped in the buds!!!
But there were several parallels and continue to be so else where,if only you recall friend!!!
The law should be allowed to take its own course without any interferences!!!
MR.Nariman,is terrorism centric to politics or religion???
People are getting accustomed to them and are helpless in the absence of any stringent action aganist the culprits in time!!!
Not to cross the constitutional lines and limitations!!!
He is going to leave his imprints as a pragmatic
leader,in a world full of challenges,which would confront him in the coming days.The top priority would be to pull out the economy from the depths!!!
MR.Nariman,their apprehensions about the outcome of LS polls, in the pesent context are understandable!!!
MR.Nariman,the most positive way is to ensure people forget these discriminations and the negative way is to constantly remind the people about them!!!
MR.Nariman,it is not the blacks alone,but the whole world is crowing so.Nothing wrong if the blacks taking pride or celebrate it,but it is a different matter when the world still clings on to this concept of discrimination!!!
MR.Nariman,shortly the heads are meeting to deliberate on this and evolve a new "global economic order".Let us await what "ism" comes out of it!!!
MR.Nariman,Yes it a big question and the quest to find an answer continues to go on and on!!!
MR.Nariman, course corrections are invitable and it is only a matter of time!!!
MR.Nariman,there is a saying about the hand that rocks the cradle.It is the hand that counts friend!!!
MR.HARIEF,An excellent messge posted.Fully appreciated for its objectivity.!!!
When one targets people or property it could be called as terror,but when one targets a politician it is called as murder,but not terror!!!
MR.Nariman,it is said that only the humans are endowed with "thinking power" among all the beings!!!
ATS has yet to establish whether it is a terror problem or an act of retaliation or a political game!!!
MR.Nariman,holding sufficient eveidence aganist some one does not automatically mean the other is involved!!!
As of now a clue points its fingure only towards HMS and nothing beyond!!!
For, no lead has connected them directly to this
incident!!!
MR.Nariman,agreed with the comparison. But whether it is a claim or a charge,they remain the same till they are proved!!!
MR.Nariman,the world is divided on so many important issues and surely the racial dicrimination is one.Any way thanks for saying it is "an issue" big or small,as it goes with the perceptions!!!
The topic relates to a future US policy but not an Indian policy friend!!!
The main constraint in finding solutions, will be the time factor, as the incumbacy of the office has a limited tenure!!!
MR.Nariman,do you mean to say that Cuba is living in isolation and remains untouched.It has a market,where all brands are available my friend!!!
MR.Nariman,to the best of my knowledge,none objected for one''s choice at any point of time,in this context!!!
This much is very clear,that it cannot regain its lost ground in the near future!!!
Be it on political,religious,social,cultural and economic considerations, which does not augur well,for the country and the people.It is very much essential to bridge these widening gulfs on top priority,by all concerned!!!
BJP by giving a green signal to ATS to go ahead and prove the case,seems to have scored a point,tentatively though, for the present!!!
Ofcourse yes and it should be the same with all cases,without exception!!!
MR.Nariman,"survival" is just an instinct.This has been so for very many centuries!!!
At best,one can only expect that may initiate certain measures,for the withdrawal of forces from IRAQ gradually!!!
MR.Nariman,my submission is, we should notindulge
in such discriminations,which only perpetuates the bias and hatred,either here or there.Such adjectives will lead to acrimonies but will not add any colours either to the individual or the society!!!
This should set aside the past!!!
MR.Nariman,is it necessary to organise any religious faith going by your own logic,just like a political party???
Friend,the ATS is at it.Let us have confidence in it!!!
MR.Nariman,every blast receives the national attention.The topic relates to how further attentions should be paid to.
None has said the innocent people should be punished.All said the culprits,whoever they are should be punished!!!
MR.Nariman,all wish a clean investigation by the ATS without any fears or favours!!!
MR.Nariman,glad you said the win is a trend setter.Now let us await for the trends to flow out!!!
Fully agreed friend.But unfornately the "political bugs" are hampering this process,at all places and at all times!!!
They have to choose one from devils only as they do not have a blue sea friend!!!
MR.Nariman,it can happen only when people do not spin.Till such time nothing could be done,except lamenting!!!
MR.Nariman,atleast CPI-M claims as one!!!
AFRO-AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT???
This is quite unimaginable in a civilised world,in 21st century and highly deplorable.!!!
The media in all fairness, should IGNORE to take note of such cheap gimmics, and give publicity to them,unless they are submitted to the speakers of the respective houses,instead of giving them to their party presidents,which are "constitutionally invalid"!!!
If the media could take it as a responsibility,it would only be helping to build up a "healthy democracy",which would be highly appreciated by all people.!!!
As per the clues so far gathered.The same may
possibly be confirmed,after pursuing further clues to their logical end!!!
They are leading from the front to set an example!!!
MR.Nariman,by dissolution of LS,the caretaker GOVT,could get rid of coailition compulsions,while enjoying the perks.This is all the difference friend!!!
For showing "vision and maturity"!!!
MR.Nariman,we the people know a simple truth in the survival process,that both the capitalist and labourer of all hues, need capital.Capital without labour is as good as mere dust and the labour without capital(money) is worthless!!!
Hence in any "ism" we find these two as interdependent and also inseperable.Now the question is in what proportion these two assets should be blended for the productive purposes,for the good of people and society.
We have learnt or seen several systems or "isms" have evolved,and came into being,only to wither away over a period in time.Yet people seek still for a more vioble system,if not a perfect one!!!
It may not be out of place to mention here what Late.TENYSON has said that "old order changeth yielding place to new".Who knows in the "globalisation"times,a new global economic order might emerge!!!
This is the mindset of most INDIANS in general,
unfortunate though!!!
MR.Nariman,only alround honesty with a larger vision is only the best guaratee!!!
MR.Nariman,let me affirm that absolutely there is no confusion.Technological excellence has no meaning,if it is not catering to the market conditions.May be in a limited sense,some may limit it to the mere economics or profit and loss accounts.But in my opinion all these aspects are intertwained and inseperable!!!
MR.Nariman,no denying a fact.!!!
MR.Nariman,the word ''IF'' used by me relates to the trail in courts,and not attributable to the investigating agencies alone as such!!!
MR.Nariman,undoubtedly yes and the PM should honestly put in the papers without hesitation.As you say if they want to continue for the pleasures of the office let them.But no purpose would be served at this stage, by the HM alone resigning!!!
MR.Nariman,if this is the case with all politicians and political parties,what is there to grumble about???
How about the media which should be more objective,responsible and educative?How about the people who sway with high pitched slogans, with each word uttered by their masters whether it has sense or not???
How ever,I agree with you when you say that all this is a systemic failure.But it has got to be corrected and the earlier the better!!!
Sorry MR.Nariman,it is a collective accountability of the cabinet!!!
MR.Nariman,to put it in a simple single word it is just "BIAS"!!!
To eloborate it further,most of them are sponsered/rehabilitated people, TO CATER TO THE VESTED INYERESTS,but not true"REFORMISTS"!!!
MR.Nariman,you know that I always advocated "uniformity" in application of the laws with no double standards by all concerned.
We know pretty well, that it is not the case in practice for various reasons!!!
TRUE.But the assigned task has got to be fulfilled even aganist odds!!!
MR.Nariman,your suggestion may not remain as a suggestion in future,who knows!!!
YAH! It s a big "IF" friend!!!
MR.NARIMAN,as it appears,the comprehensive investigation into the matter may eventually throw up new scenerios,for, what floats on the surface could only be surf!!!
Any way prudence demands patience to see the final outcome!!!
MR.jeejabhai,unless we hunt and catch the culprits,all accusations shall remain either in the air or on paper!!!
MR.Nariman,may be the SANGHIS are polishing the "strange logic advanced by other parties",if one critically examines the wording of their statements!!!
MR.Nariman,the intelligent one can always discriminate and fix things in the jungle to find a way out ultimately!!!
Congress spokes person Shakeel Ahmed said that the LEFT is moving closer to BJP!!!
Left always says that it maintains equidistance from CONGRESS OR BJP,for they are two sides of the same coin,but yet prefers to hang on to the head (congress) than the tail(BJP).Equidistance in their opinion means which side of the fence they are!!!
Having elbowed/ditched the LEFT on the N-DEAL,
no wonder now the congress says there is not much of a difference between saffron and red colours!!!
MR.Nariman,I share your point of view.But all parties,politicians,media and people yet air their convienient perceptions,without exception spontaneously as if "THE TRUTH" has been revealed to them instantly!!!
MR.Nariman,I share your point of view.But all parties,politicians,media and people yet air their convienient perceptions,without exception spontaneously as if "THE TRUTH" has been revealed to them instantly!!!
That is why they are called challenges where one''s mettle is tested and judged!!!
MR.Nariman,as a simple example,we all know today,that even a milk man or a street vendor owns a mobile phone,in which he takes pleasure, to talk to people globally!!!
MR.Nariman,having a policy is better than not having any policy.Don''t you agree???
We know several systems and policies have been experimented,and each has its own merits and demerits,with none satisfying all.
The quest for one perfect system continues on and on,for there is room for improvement at all times!!!
MR.Nariman,how do you react when some one intereferes with your way of life???
It seems her judicial custody has been extended by four days to facilitate the NARCOTIC TEST.!!!
It is excellent fast work.It is reported that ATS recovered sophisticated fire arms and ammunition from the detained Lt.COL,MR.RAIKAR and some others!!!
MR.Nariman,it is the worst part,which is the reason why these right activists are often ridiculed.!!!
MR.Nariman,May be You are right.!!!
A member of the family met NALINI in prison a few months back and God alone knows what precisely transpired between them,beside them!!!
You are right friend.It is too late to act one way or the other due to political compulsions.
The only way left is to dissolve the LS and call for elections as it appears!!!
SO the announcement of a hefty reward has been made by some one!!!
Think that what exactly they have been thinking from the start for over about the last 25 years,"when to act"!!!
If they want progress and prosperity,lest posterity will not forgive them!!!
All know that the terrorists would be shifting their bases.It is for the centre to strengthen our intelligence bases to over come this lacune and overpower them by our security forces,before they could enter INDIA crossing the borders!!!
The task is no doubt a Herculean one and yet this is the only way,for this challenge has to be met whatever be the costs!!!
MR.Arun,as of now Sadhvi is only a suspect,while
Afzal Guru is a convicted terrorist awaiting his death sentnse handed down by the SUPREME COURT.
ALL know why the UPA GOVT did not implement the order so far.
He is dangerous to INDIA and its people,but surely he is a friend of some one as well!!!
These emotions will get reflected in their actions.To condition these emotional eruptions,the society made the laws to suit them and made them mandatory and binding on all uniformly!!!
The non uniformity in their application or when they are applied selectively,a feeling of discrimination and neglect creep amongst people.
This happens to be the root cause of all troubles and conflicts which no law could supress for long!!!
The solution lies only in "uniform application of the laws" to all people without discriminating them on any divisive lines of "RACE,RELIGION,CASTE OR CREED etc" without any fear or favour, to suit the "political and vested interests"!!!
After seeing a chain of serial blasts across the country in the recent times,people now understand "how much hard the centre is on terror"!!!
The ongoing MALEGAON BLASTS investigation is a classic example and proof,if at all proof is required in this regard!!!
They owe an explanation only to one person,but not to either the PM or people.Blasts are blasts.
No use of comparisons,as long as we do not have even the basic mechanism,to distinguish our citizens from others to start with!!!
But not otherwise!!!
A great way to protect the human rights.Shame on them!!!
In this process,the poor and ignorant people are always the victims unfortunately.The earlier the better,if this realisation dawns on the people at large!!!
MR.Nariman,even both peace and conflict(which are the effects) are caused too!!!
As for your question,it has been a never ending
human saga that keeps rolling on and on!!!
The most unfortunate fact of the matter is,we refuse to learn any lesson out of the past!!!
MR.Arun_ S_Dalvi,if these MPs/MLAs are unable to stand by their sworn oath under the constitution,there are only two options before the people.
One is to throw out these untrustworthy stocks or alternatively to scrap the constitution itself!!!
If it fails to act in time,the centre would be opening the flood gates for the terrorists to rule roost every where!!!
It is not yet cooked to serve!!!
Productive schemes instead of non-productive ones
will help us to bridge the gap between haves and havenots,leading to a stable society!!!
It is good she accepted now the KARMA philosophy!!!
MR.Nariman,as is said,necessity is the mother of invention.Learned economists are working over time to find a way out.
In this context the suggestions made by the RUSSIAN PM MR.PUTIN,might have also been taken into account for active consideration.!!!
Each class has its attendent problems and risks too friend.!!!
MR.Nariman,it is news indeed.Quite interesting at that.Let us await further details about its links/connections and H.Q from which it carries its operations with a style of command structure!!!
MR.KRISHU,VERY PERTINENT QUESTIONS WITH CLASSIC EXAMPLES AND SIMILIES.
But dear friend it will be far cry in the wilderness,where beasts are aplenty!!!
MR.NARIMAN,at the outset,this is to make clear NDA never had a brute majority in parliament sufficient enough to carry out any constitutional amendments.
Of course,I fully endorse your view,when you say that"we should not be selective in condemning
terror".BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,one can derive some solace atleast in dreams,otherwise life would not only be miserable but also horrible friend!!!
MR.Nariman,just do not believe any one.Better we go by the facts as they emerge.Leader of the opposition challenged the centre to produce proof.Let the centre produce it.There ends the matter!!!
Inorder to save other passengers from this madcap, MAHARASHTRA POLICE perforce had to kill this Man Rahul raj,who happened to be a BIHARI,of which fact the police at that stage did not even know!!!
"None shed any tears for the unfortunate victim,whom he killed",while people in responsible positions, have started shedding crocodile tears for this "murderer", and instigating the people, causing further violence, just for the heck of vote bank politics.
All Indians should be ashamed of these people!!!
Agreed MR.Nariman.The question is not that how long we endure this situation,but how soon we could checkmate this.!!!
Yah!It is a million dollar question whether we can or will,given our half hearted approches,with soft kidglove policies friend!!!
It is still worse MR.Nariman,that the other countries allow "HINDU TERROR OUTFITS" to function from their soils,to attack their own people in India!!!
Some thing quite unbelievable friend!!!
He wanted the centre to come forth with proof,that currently she had any connections with BJP.This unambiguous statement from him may brighten BJP''S poll prospects who knows!!!
Now the ball is in GOVT''S court!!!
It may take some time in fully exposing the entire network of conspirators, behind MALEGAON blasts,who indulged in this henious crime!!!
Friend,INDIA has been confronted with these problems of "TERROR/MILITANCY" for about the last three decades.
It seems it is on the rise,due to the soft policies or no policies of successive weak governments at the centre, specially in the last two decades almost.
Yet neither the people nor the Indian ploity has learnt any lessons.This is the most tragic part!!!
To make this happen,people should strengthen a single party at the centre,which commands more than two thirds majority in the house,and preferably in the states too!!!
People cannot expect a weak centre to take strong actions!!!
In such situations strong action should be taken as per the constitutional provisions without any hesitation what so ever!!!
This is a most pathetic situation in ASSAM today,with about 60 people killed and about 400 injured,in the serial bomb blasts.
All are speaking "Greek and Latin" with their own versions,contradicting each other,at the pitch of their voices, void of any sensible content.
One can only see panic alround!!!
People want the GOVT,to go full hog,with no holds barred,hunting for the culprits and bring them to justice.
Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary and effective actions expeditiously!!!
MR.Nariman,we agreed earlier,that "HINDUTVA IS A WAY OF LIFE,BUT NOT A RELIGION".This much even the SC has upheld as is known!!!
Well,may be the world is witnessing once again
the age old way of life of ours (humans)!!!
Friend,only opinions/perceptions are expressed and exchanged here,but none considers them to be as binding judgements.!!!
None is a "Born criminal/terrorist".These attitudes/tendencies are the additional luggage pieces picked up at each station,during the course of one''s life journey.!!!
35 KILLED & 65 INJURED as of now.They are reported to be high intensity blasts!!!
As usual,PM expressed concern,HM condemned and MoS said that
Assam govt,has been forewarned.ULFA''s hand suspected.Hands of others not ruled out!!!
The easiest way possibly could be,attribute these,to the suspected "new terror outfits" to start with and go about collecting the evidences later!!!
This is also another way of dealing.Better he starts from BIHAR where five bogies were burnt the other day!!!
This is supposed to be"no incitation,instigation,provocation and adding fuel to the fires etc".People should accept this as an "action & reaction" process,since these states are no GUJARAT!!!
Yet the centre remains as a mute spectator for the ongoings both in MAHARASHTRA AND BIHAR.
May be it is just a law and order problem of the states!!!
This is more disgraceful and disgusting indeed.
Just like we should not target a "COMMUNITY" for the sins of, one or few of its members,it would be quite unbecoming to pass such a sweeping remark aganist one of the most respected organs of the state.!!!
MR.Nariman,it seems the nation may be heading in
a reverse direction to the preindependent times!!!
MR.Nariman,Thanks for your convergence,specially with regard to the adoption of double standards,in governance,which is the root cause of all troubles.
Let us all wish, the people would unitedly rise as one, to pull back the NATION from the brink,for we know the petty politicians will not rise to the ocassion any way,which is the most unfortunate part!!!
MR.Nariman,as we know the economy comprises and equally interdependantal on various factors and hence the regulatory mechanisms have been devised by all.
we also know that it is just a scale adjustment every now and then!!!
Given the circumstances,the option rests with the
police.It is prudent to allow the law to take its own course without any political interferences!!!
It appears to be a typical coincidence,that the poll prospects of the two major national parties,are getting affected in the state of MAHARASHTRA,WITH TERROR RELATED INSTANCES!!!
It is unfair to blame only J&K!!!
This is a very serious matter which merits a clarification by the GOVERNMENT, in the interests of the nation, both on "CAG''S COMMENTS AND CONTENTS" inorder to put the record straight!!!
Only a few religious books and domastic goods were found.Even MAHARASHTRA CM is not certain about the involvement of (any) HINDU OUTFITS and awaits the final report from ATS.
If so, people wonder why to exaggerate this issue and indulge in cheap publicity gimmics about linkages, at this stage???
None should be spared if the guilt is proved!!!
This much all the people know!!!
The fact of the matter is INDIA is too large to be gripped in its clutches.!!!
One could call it as an eye opener,only when the probe is completed and the guilty are punished!!!
But what prompted him to affirm this confirmation???
No agenda could discriminate them except for political purposes!!!
Terrorism of all shades should be put down for good!!!
Difficult to list the failures as there are many!!!
This is the law of nature!!!
Principles are only the constant guiding factors!!!
MR.Nariman,I only quoted what the politicians often say,when they are charged on counts after investigations,because,our judicial dictum happens to be " none is guilty untill it is proved so and let thousands of criminals go scotfree,but no innocent one should be punished"!!!
Time is no constraint for the disposal of a case unfortunately!!!
Friend,don''t you agree that it means we have a basically flawed electoral syatem,from end to end???
MR.Nariman,we do have a law that permits "mercy petitions" in all such cases.Agree with you, that we have many grey areas in our legal system.
You know pretty well, when NDA proposed a judicial review/commission, to plug all such loop holes,the same was opposed by the opponents just for political reasons and this had its natural death!!!
Fully agree with you that there is a difference between a suspect and a criminal/terrorist.This is better left to the courts to decide.But none should interfere with the "investigative processes" till they are completed,giving twists and colours to the case.It is not enough to say "let the law take its own course" whenever it is convienient.People & media of all shades too should allow its natural course!!!
Hope you would also agree with this in all fairness.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,when the government could freely distribute tax payers money of about RS. 75,000/= crores by way of "waival of agricultural loans" to the farmers,an estimated amount of RS.400 crores towards research and development is just peanuts!!!
Wonder why this basic question was not raised then friend!!!
But the INDO-JAPANESE security co-operation deal emphasises that their partnership would be
" an essential pillar for the future architecture of the region"!!!
This means it is a flexible one either to expand or contract as per the exegencies!!!
The constitution placed no restrictions on its citizens to move around in India and settle at a place of one''s choice,irrespective of one''s nativity!!!
This being the case,what is wrong if one writes an exam at a center allotted to the individual,in a different state though,which is not the candidates fault???Should this be a cause to incite,instigate the riots by the politicians???
Is it right for the concerned people of the states,equally to encourage violence as a counter
to the above??? How come two union ministers make
contrary statements regarding this violence???
There appears to be a method in this madness,pitting one community aganist the other or a region aganist the other,be it "in
orissa,or Karnataka or Maharashtra or Bihar or Assam or manipur or J&K etc"which points a fingure at the enemies who wants to destabilise our nation,which needs a detailed probe!!!
Away from it, let our politicians stop first, inciting the mobs immidietely for petty gains for them!!!
The state and central governments cannot remain as mute spectators in this sordid ongoings
and should act together sternly to put down these violent forces,whoever they are, without any hesitation,before it is too late!!!
In fact it may prove to be a great hurdle for him!!!
Indian people remain always passive in their attitudes.Nothing bothers them unless they are individually affected.
Ofcourse the result of these polls may be affected because of various other considerations!!!
To corrupt and sway the majority of voters from the tainted money only!!!
All others shy away from it,because the costs involved are highly prohibhitive and this field is getting murkier by the day,with none to control,irrespective of the gender!!!
All parties look for winnable candidates,God only knows what it means and mere literacy alone cannot win in the present set up!!!
This is due to lack of clarity in attitudes and approches in decision making processes as a result of the "coalition political compulsions"!!!
Over the years,they have grown up into a jungle
and one is unable to find a way out now.The situation has turned from bad to worse and people pray that a path be found before it becomes worst!!!
It is time for Indian polity to wake up to this reality and come together and stand as one,to withstand the onslaught of the vested interests,trying to Balkanise the country!!!
Just like day and night.This is one of the laws of nature!!!
We did it.A great achievement indeed!!!
Whom are they trying to cheat except themselves???
This is the probable fix for the government to initiate the right measures in this direction.!!!
We ought to multiply the strength of "true indians" in the GP by every second,to outnumber all these other BRANDS put together,for a right solution!!!
Till then the "Alleviation of poverty" in INDIA, is a far cry!!!
The best thing for the security agencies, is to ignore them and complete their job honestly!!!
None wants innocent civilians should get got in the cross fires,which will be a pathetic situation.It is also true, that these civilans too have a responsibility, not to shelter these destructive forces either intentionally or unintentionally,lest they would be inviting the trouble for themselves!!!
The situation would tend to be worse, with unsolicited foreign interventions!!!
Let us wish all success!!!
The opinions expressed otherwise are only distorted and motivated perceptions only which serve no purpose except kicking up some dust!!!
A fresh game of musical chairs commenced on the eve of impending LS polls!!!
This action of her''s is meant to project that she stands for development of UP!!!
Any takers???
The visit is subject to one''s own interpretations,till it is resolved!!!
This does not mean the rape is not a crime.We have enough laws. But As we know these laws are applicable only after a crime is committed,but not before.We have a dictum that all are innocent untill the guilt is established.This judicial process in our present set up is a long drawn affair.!!!
There is no way to prevent these stray crimes,because one cannot anticipate such an incident would take place at such and such place and the crime committed by so and so people at a particular time!!!
Time to celebrate.
People are very much interested to know.!!!
Then it is too bad.They may go down as well!!!
Unless INDIAN citizens are involved,lest it would be setting up a very bad precedent.Advising a friendly state is a different!!!
It is upto the UN to take note of any serious problem there and act upon!!!
But, When further steps flow out to sustain and strengthen this initiative alone, would lead INDIA for a big leap!!!
This is no instant coffee!!!
Friend,sure we know for certain,where they all need to go to argue these cases with an endless litigations!!!
Friend,birth is an accident.The rest is an aquired identity not by one''s own choice.Time moves forward,but not backward."Past has no future and future remains a distant dream.This moment alone is ours.Let us live it"!!!
MR.Nariman,(verdict or no verdict) who said......
"yet they are all honourable men"??? How true it is!!!
MR.Nariman,your caption is absolutely correct and quite explicit.BTW!!!
MR.Nariman,all things/models invariably follow a sine curve pattern as is known!!!
Why are the individual union ministers speaking
at cross purposes publicly on the ssubject in an irresponsible manner???
Why are the individual union ministers speaking
at cross purposes ptblicly on the ssubject in an irresponsible manner???
MR.Nariman,the fact of the matter is equally heading for a financial crisis as we see and the LEFT''S brakes failed to work as they are too old.
We need not pass any credit on this count!!!
This is most unfortunate and unwelcome step,which does not fall under their domain.Specially when they go to the extent of resigning as MPs having enjoyed the power all these years at the centre,and when the general elections are round the corner!!!
To serve and preserve their own self interests
unfortunately.
Any way in a materialistic world religions in their true spiritual sence, have little or no relevance!!!
This only goes to prove that Ramayana is no mythology as hither to projected!!!
Let the Indian polity wake up to the realities and stand united to face the terrorists of all hues!!!
Only yesterday,the NIC had it''s deliberations and resulutions.People expect a reconciliation between parties to work together but not to fall apart!!!
As reported today.It makes an interesting reading,for it has brought out some valuable facts,quite educative in nature,as the same are hither to not known to most people till now!!!
This lapse whether it is intentional or unintentional, touches upon the sensivities,emotions,and perceptions of people rightly or wrongly, causing heart burns and hence the conflicts!!!
when this fundamental principle is cast away
by the rulers, it will ultimately lead to chaos only!!!
May God bless saint ALPHONSA.
Wish many more would follow her foot prints.
This is what we call "leg pulling" with a standing principle of "it matters not even if I loose one,but the other should loose two"!!!
Politics is a strange stock market with all its ups and downs.Now that it is a crash/clash,both may have to ensure high liquidity to stay afloat!!!
This is the reality.Though this is not absolutely eradicated,it could be brought down with vigilant people and an effective policing mechanism in place,be it is a capital/city/town or village!!!
Till such time all religions stand to be exploited fully by the political parties one way or the other!!!
Friend,all the political parties are distributing
or promising to distribute the "FREEBIES" to all,to appear that they are "people friendly"!!!
This does not cost their purses!!!
The centre could only extend any needed help to it, even if it were to be the case of terrorists.This is a consistent stand taken by the UPA government!!!
So this question will not arise at all!!!
Searching for the substantial/circumstantial/corrobarative evidences which will have to stand the test of the laws in courts!!!
MR.Nariman,is it not a fact that the economic models of "socialism,marxism,communism,leninism,maoism" etc,have also failed and gone down into the graves???
The ??? is what economic model follows next??? Any idea friend!!!
Violence is a part of human nature and when it erupts, has no class interests and has only mass interests friend!!!
MR.Nariman,ours is the largest democracy,where people are supreme even as per our own constitution!!!
This shows our speed and committment for development,specially in our most important state!!!
MR.Nariman,even where they are found guilty,and sentenced,we have another law too which they can safely avail to escape from it!!!
This may spur them to shed their indifferent and passive mindsets!!!
Currently two more agitations have been started.One for the restoration of the aquired land back to the owners and the other demanding the retention of the NANO project!!!
ASIAN markets too are falling!!!
Even the common man is starved!!!
This is meant for mutual benifits!!!
In a global economy one can''t be insulated totally from the crisis.If some one says it is possible,it should be a joke!!!
They forget the fact that we all are already in space with a mission!!!
Not touched by any turbulances and conflicts of your mother planet.We all envy you dear!!!
MR.Nariman,fully agree with you on the point that
" greed is a common factor " for a capitalist and common man.
But disagree on the aspect mentioned by you that boom and depression are "common in a capitalistic oriented economy alone".!!!
When it is a global meet,hope the best of the solutions would emerge to contain the crisis!!!
Given the co-operation from all countries.In any case it would not come to naught!!!
Best of luck to both sides and all those who made it possible.
May God bless him.
The clash between "Good & Bad" is an unending process and at all times it is the wish of people that good should prevail over bad,irrespective of differing value systems!!!
This is what the experiences tells us.These communal elements would surface again and again,which could only be tamed through a hearty
"reconciliation" with trust as the core, between all groups!!!
MR.Nariman,if we are sure that this ends the communal strife,this step is most welcome!!!
Who has the audacity to call a day light encouunter in JAMIA nagar suggesting it could be a fake one!!!
It is very insulting,disgusting and highly deplorable when he said "Inspector M.C SHARMA was a martyr indeed,but no one knew whether he was killed by the terrorists or the POLICE themselves,in the Jamianagar encounter"!!!
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When one was not on the scene,how could one blabber like this?What is the government intends to do with such politicians???
In a "GLOBAL VILLAGE",meaning the world, in the modern high-tech age,any deal,more so the energy deal,that enhances our rapid developmental progress,is sure to be a watershed,undoubtedly!!!
This is no communalisation of politics and people have to believe it,"though the encounter did take place during day time,under the glare of both public and media",during which a police officer Late MR.MOHAN CHAND SHARMA,was also killed.
Is this not a "political interference" in the law taking its own course,and judicial processes, for vote bank politics???
The PM may do a lot of good,for the country and the people,by including the item of "political interference" as item NO ONE on the agenda of the ensuing NIC meeting slated for 13th October 2008, to evolve the "political
consensus" for desisting from POLITICAL COMMUNALISATION!!!
1.POLITICS.
2.RELIGIONS
3.MOB VIOLENCE.
4.A CRIME.
The first two are non punishable subjects,the last two are acts of a group or an individual, always deplorable,consemnable and punishable irrespective of their motivations!!!
When the thought of industrial development has finally dawned on them,it was too late in the day,as people have been habituated for all types of agitational approches,led by the L.F.Partners,all the while!!!
This may help in controlling the communal extremism hopefully!!!
This purpose could be for medical,on duty,to have fun or to committ a crime!!!
While all citizens normally would be on alert,when they have to go,the government simply cannot shirk its responsibility of frequent patrolling during the nights to apprehend the people with suspicious movements!!!
First to be blamed is the the WB government for having failed in controlling the mob violence from day one.
The next comes MAMATA with her brigade of goons and all the hidden hands behind.
The third comes the centre who has no clearcut understanding and a firm policy on the issue of development.
Last but not the least,the people of WB who failed to raise their voice aganist the agitators,for obstucting the developmental processes!!!
Let us not give a chance to the world henceforth,to point a fingure at us on the same count,by dealing with them with kid gloves!!!
We have scores of group leaders to serve their own interests,but no single "national leader" worth the name,to serve the interests of the people and nation,with absolute devotion and committment!!!
If some one thinks that our age old laws are enough to deal with this problem,May God bless them and the people!!!
Even an ordinary citizen knows this and people
don''t need leaders to proclaim this.What they are interested to know is how does the government
would like to tackle this menace and put an end to it!!!
If not possible what is the alternative? where do we want them to live safely???
Considering the huge energy requirements for development,with corresponding large investments for business and employment over a period of about 30 years,down the line,surely this is a mutually benificial deal!!!
The deal is for the mutual benifits too!
The state police is responsible to maintain LAW & ORDER problems!!!
The ways and means to fight TERROR since it is beyond our human inttelect!!!
To provide this basic legal assistance,from start to finish,which is any way not available to "the victims and their berieved families,in hundreds and thousands",in these deadly "Terrorist attacks"!!!
There is also some thing called as an "abettment" in the very legal system,which is equally punishable!!!
There should be a clarity when people talk about them loosely!!!
The former goes with a common place of residence and the later with a common faith!!!
In all this,what is the place of political violence,which is the root cause of turbulence in the society???
The same apprehension seems to haunt the minds of
his friends and foes alike!!!
It appears a responsible union minister has made some statements to this effect,who also said that WB Government should take the responsibility!!!
Fine.But people wonder whether it was the decision of the union cabinet,voiced through this minister. He alone could clarify!!!
It is for the courts to decide, and provide legal assistance if needed,keeping the nature of the crime and motivations in mind,but not by individuals!!!
Let it not be forgotten,when our constitution was framed and laws there of enacted,none has envisaged the "acts of terror and terrorists" would come into existance.
This is all the difference!!!
People wonder how could a responsible union minister could make such a statement in the first place and whether it was the cabinet''s decision,which had the sanction of the centre to get it voiced in this fashion???
No country runs on in this fashion!!!
Sriend,People of GUJARAT gave their verdict on MR.Banarjee''s report,much earlier than that of MR.Nanavati''s report,which only reinforces the people''s judgement!!!
FRIEND,This is just like telling,had the people from all faiths wished and willed,they could have easily averted the furies of the nature and saved all the victims affected by them!!!
The agonies and anguish of all such affected people are quite understandable and shared fully.But what is to be understood is TERROR in all forms, has no dictinctions and boundaries!!!
What all that could be done is only to contain and confine it!!!
Friend,people are too tired by now to hear the rethoric "condemnations,condolences,compensations
usual mudslingings of political parties and stereotyped reporting styles of the media" after each and every tragic incident,with no tangible efforts and results to combat the terror menace.
It is the most unfortunate part!!!
Much to its diamay,no single system has ever succeeded in satisfying it so far!!!
This is the reality which INDIA is also fully aware of!!!
Condemnations will only add to bitterness and hatred,while Conciliations will usher in peace and harmony.
The majority would follow the route of the former and a few would prefer the route of the later.
SANITY IS ALWAYS A MINORITY!!!
The last hurdle has been over come and in all likely hood it would be signed on 2/3 october,during the visit of MS.RICE AT DELHI!!!
SO FAR SO GOOD!!!
We have several other most important issues that call for immidiete attention like development,education,health,housing and welfare
of the people.
Let us not forget the fact that even after about sixty years of our independence,we are not even able to provide even a single a glass of safe drinking water to millions and millions of people!!!
His lucid detailed statement made at BHUBANESWAR,is both educative and clarificatory!!!
This should at rest any confusion on the subject,in all quarters and should help in the maintanance of communal harmony!!!
Fumes are quite dangerous causing a very huge damage,if not controlled in time!!!
Some learn by thier mistakes and some will not.!!!
It is good that they put a cap on endless litigations!!!
They are not interdependent!!!
They are all gathering dust.One more addition should not matter.Better this haggling chapter is closed once for all,so that the people can move forward!!!
The alternative to this is fraught with dangerous consequences.Both countries share this view surely!!!
They have delivered it,in the last gujarat elections,much before the findings of NANVATI commission''s report.No comments are needed any further!!!
While the same have been and are being fully beamed on all TV channels in other countries for public knowledge???
This will eliminate the misperceptions if any among the people,which naturally brings down the violence!!!
When RAHUL says we need a tough law,as POTA is a failed law, and other reponsible members of UPA GOVT,proclaiming from roof tops that the existing laws are enouh to deal with terrorism,sure they all should be knowing what they are speaking!!!
This leads one to pose a question,genuinely so,whether the government has any clear concept,conviction and a consistent policy,in place of all this unwarranted confusion???
AGREED.It is the most unfortunate part of it!!!
FRIEND, the violence in any form is highly condemnable and abhored.
we all know that as far as Kandhmal is concerned,it has been a tale of two groups mostly of the same tribe/village(s) fighting each other,off and on!!!
Now coming to Karnataka,any one or group could have done it, shouting slogans meant to defame others.
On a cool thinking,one could visualise that no party/parivar could have acted in this manner,when elections are round the corner,except by their opponents in all probability.
Any way,let us all await for the truth to come out from the judicial commissions appointed!!!
ALL have seen the scenes where goons indulged in vandalism when churches were attacked and condemned it,including the governments there who ordered for judicial enquiries!!!
But as is widely known,there is the "Beholder''s eye",which clearly establishes the fact,that what is seen,need not be true,but is only an attribution coupled with imagination of the viewer!!!
As of now we only have an allegation and a denial.As is known Kandhmal stands on a different footing.
Let us all hope for the truth to emerge through the judicial commissions!!!
Majority of the people in the country,more so in
west Bengal are aganist such counter productive agitations arising from any quarter.Let the political parties compete in developmental and welfare activities,in a constructive manner!!!
All attacks are highly condemnable,be it aganist an individual,a minority or a majority.Immediete action to follow to book the culprits on the spot.There are no two opinions on this.
But in most of the cases specially where groups are involved,the hidden hand would not surface,making it difficult for the police and prosecution,to prove the charges in a court of law,as is generally seen!!!
This is the main area to strengthen!!!
They know and surely are prepared to accept these "proffesional hazards" if any,since our constitution assures equal oppurtunities for all,
with no discrimination!!!
Besides we have laws to take care of any offences committed as well!!!
All investors consider these coming from him in the wake of the murder of a CEO as an incitement to violence and murder.
No wonder,if they conclude that INDIA is not a safe destination for investment!!!
Knowing our judicial process, the litigation would continue till then!!!
Now people of West bengal can forget about any industrial development in their state!!!
If the same trends are allowed to continue in other states,INDIA as a nation can also forget about the same!!!
If we have clean politics, it will eliminate the cause,so that peace and harmony would prevail alround.
But the ??? is will our politicians of all hues, who keep their "self interests above all" ever allow this new dawn to come in!!!
Several countries have progressed despite such hurdles.It all depends on how we define and distinguish the communities!!!
Friend,now that Karnataka government has ordered for a judicial enquiry into the whole matter,since both VHP & BRD denied about their involvement in the church attacks,we would be knowing the facts shortly as to who has timed it and why???
It all depends on MR.ZARDARI and the thrust he could give to move forward,with so many power centers around him!!!
It would do well for the police personnel both at centre and states,or for that matter any one in responsible positions,TO HOLD BACK FROM expressing their opinions,without any conclusive facts!!!
This is the minimum expected of them to avoid unwarranted confusions to creep in!!!
The last minute change of venue of the IFTAR party to be hosted by the speaker,has been shifted to the PM''S house due to security fears was itself a pointer in this direction!!!
People of Karnataka are generally considered to be a suave,well mannered and peaceful lot,away from a few stray incidents like what happened there recently.
Now that a judicial enquiry has been ordered, to bring out the facts into these incidents and police have been given full powers to arrest whoever indulges in any vandalism under the goonda act on the spot,let us hope that normalcy returns fast there!!!
People want the truth and nothing but the truth to emerge from this judicial enquiry!!!
Has this got to do any thing with the recent hacking attempts as reported???
Now that it is almost curtains for them at Singur,TATAS will have to zero in on one shortly!!!
But the sum and substance is poor governance!!!
It is reported that legal cells are being formed to help the suspected terrorists,taken into custody,who are considered by them as innocent!!!
Let us wish we may delve into the outer reaches of space exploration,in the near future!!!
Let WB government show its guts to show these people enough is enough!!!
Now it might be paying the price.
This is a convienient route for all governments to escape from accountability!!!
If so,is there a hidden hand to cash in,on their opposition to forced/induced conversions,using their name?
Is it coincidental that there has been a spurt of simultaneous activity in "infiltrations,serial blasts and communal violence" in the country or is there a different pattern,which is yet to see the light???
It is time for all political parties rise to the ocassion as one to meet this menace squarely!!!
It could only be a temporary set back!!!
Any way both the parties have the combination of
experience and youth in the reverse order!!!
If it were to be so,they should answer first,who killed the police personnel including an inspector,by opening fire at them,from the building during the encounter???
Irresponsible statements are quite unwarranted!!!
IF THE GOVERNMENT FAILS TO ACT IN TIME,others would naturally take advantage of the situation.
Government should set an example by its conformance to the enshrined laws for people to follow!!!
There need not be any doubts on this!!!
Did the suicide bomber mistook the MARRIOTT hotel which happened to be in a high security RED ZONE", as the National assembly???
If not why to target a hotel owned by one
MR.Sadruddin Hashwani? Who was this mysterious driver,who got of from his vehicle at the security gate and shouted to every one around to flee "within three minutes"?
How come the local media reports said that the blast was "caused by 1000 Kg of explosives"
packed in a truck that was driven upto the front gate of the hotel and detonated? Is it just a wild guess or do they have any prior information of the attack? If the answer is yes,then this contradicts the statement of the interior minister?
How is it that none has claimed the responsibility so far, for this dastardly attack???
Let us hope that Pak investigators would come up with the right answers shortly!!!
1.The existing laws are enough to deal with.Our existing laws are much more stronger than those in some of the advanced countries.
2.NO Fresh laws are needed.
3.strengthen the security and police agencies with additional man power and modern equipment for deployment.
These should alley the fears of the public, if any!!!
This makes it as the main issue in next elections
leading the other issues!!!
Yesterday,people had a ray of hope,after PM''s statements in the Governor''s conference,was shortlived,with the union cabinet''s decisions today!!!
Any more expectations???
Even then are you quite sure???
As usual the matter ends up after a few noises and condolences!!!
Friend,why not blame the "INVESTORS" too,who rush in to have a cut out of those easy profits,in the shortest time,out of their"GREED"!!!
Is it an offshoot of some other radical offsuit like any other organised indtitution?
Any way it is good, the K''government did order an investigation into the whole affair!!!
PM stated that "our government has no fixed,inflexible or ideological view" in this regard.This connotes utter confusion and lack of clarity,how to go about combatting TERROR.
This where the problem lies,for developing
"Soft under bellies"!!!
Now it is floating "ideas", that it intends to bring in the same,if not a better one and other laws too,if needed.What a great transformation!!!
This would politically help it to cross over the remaining period of their tenure,with no tangible effective steps and results!!!
At best these additions would be ornamental only!!!
The reasons for this sordid state of affairs are obvious!!!
The agony and anguish are shared.But how many times do our government wants us to offer condolances and condemnations,as though these are going to put down the terror and terrorists,with no strategy or action from its side!!!
AGANIST TERROR AND TERRORISTS,whenever they kill innocent people??? why not even a word of condemnation comes from them???
This attitude of theirs is indeed baffling!!!
You are perfectly right sir.
It is childish to think about enacting state,district and panchayat " Anti-terror " laws.This makes a mockery of the constitution!!!
However a bad precedent has been set up by allowing some states in this regard.Hense the cry from the other states.
It is basically wrong to treat the "global terrorism" as a mere law and order problem of the states.
It is fundamentally a problem to be dealt by the centre,and also to take action on erring states in not complying with the laws enacted and directions given by the centre from time to time!!!
What is lacking is a will to effectively implement them!!!
This moment is of its choice.
HE has to cross several hurdles as he moves on further with his projects!!!
When this is a "global" problem!!!
Deviations if any might have stemmed from this concern.
Taliban was ruling the roost in Afganistan prior to the onslaught was lanched by USA & ITS ALLIES.
How could they vanish into the thin air overnight???
If an answer for this question was found,this riddle could be solved!!!
If this is the situation after six decades of reservations,in all other institutions,it only speaks about our wayward policies and programmes.These people continue to remain where they were,which is most unfortunate.
This means reservations are nothing but about vote bank politics.!!!
You are absolutely right.
The cause is the ongoing conflict of interests,for both communities are involved in it.Incidentally the Elections are round the corner.As you meant,this is a matter of concern.
In these circumstances,"RESTRIANT" alround should be the watch word.
May be we have to wait for another week or so to decide on the report of the committee appointed.
US is confident that it would go through,well before end of September and if possible before 25th instant,on which date the suggested/scheduled meeting of US PRESIDENT and Indian PM.
He has all the reasons not to!!!
The end result is to be seen with all the twists,
and turns!!!
This means several things to several people!!!
It only indicates that the culprit who ever it is,is highly professional not to leave even a single clue behind!!!
This experiment is only a simulation model.
Who all would come under this catogery should be very clearly defined.This is very much necessary,for we hear frequently,that even the "convicts" are being treated as VIPs in the prisons!!!
It is a matter between W.B.Government and TATAS,but not between TATAS and politicians and their sponsored agitations.
In an ongoing drama,none knows which characters would enter or exit when.
It is quite uncharitable to call it so.
One wonders about the lack of any clarity in governmental policies with regard to developmental projects!!!
But one can safely presume it would be taken to its logical end by the US congress.
This puts INDIA on a different path for progress.
As of now it is clear that for all practical purposes,the work may not be resumed there!!!
However much we wish,doubt whether TATA would be taken in.As it appears he might decide to wind up the show there,being a prudent industrialist!!!
This is the reason for our contempt to work within the time frames to achieve the results.We always believe in cost over runs,which are quite detrimental to "DEVELOPMENT".
This is a welcome feature.The less number of laws we have,make us to be more productive and effective!!!
The fountain heads of internal violence are our parliament and legislatures.It is most disgusting and shameful,the way most of our elected representatives behave there,setting up an anarchic atmosphere.Natually people would like to follow in their foot steps!!!
All such illusions vanish when the light is on!!!
As such the apprehensions if any,in this context,could be erased from the minds of the people.
Till such time none need to have any fears!!!
Let us not forget the fact,that there are several other powers too in NSG!!!
One should be surprised if the situation changes for good.
We hope the last step would be crossed by this month end or so without much difficulty.
All our best wishes to him.
It is a good augury for INDIA,in its march towards peace and progress.
The journey towards this end has begun recently.
His election as president is yet another step in that direction.
It is time to close the ranks and to rejoice and celebrate this unique event of this day.
This is the cause of all types of "isms"which are in conflict with each other, to come into being!!!
The deal itself is undergoing a jerky process.The only difference that has surfaced afresh is that both the parties can excercise their options to riggle out from the bondage,with high costs,mostly to the disadvantage for INDIA,which it could ill afford now or in future.
Any way the NSG & USA will have to clear this clean deal.Would it be or not is a great HAMLETIAN dilemma!!!
Politicians may afford this luxury,but not definitely the investors.
The investors will think a thousand times,since the credibility of the governments both in states and the centre,is at stake!!!
Leaving the politicians to sort out their problems.
One can devise strategies to meet the aftermath of all such tragedies.
Can any one in senses try to stop the influx when a national disaster of high magnitude took place in BIHAR?
None should be allowed to play this kind of cheap politics when lakhs and lakhs of people have veen very badly hit.
People can think of the deliverence of the promises next.
Let us all wish for alround normalacy to dawn.
Still the violence goes unabated in KANDHMAL.This aspect needs a close look and investigations,as to why the emotions of people have not subdued till now.
A CBI/judicial enquiry should be ordered into the whole matter, to find out what went wrong and where,inorder to bring the culprits to book.
This brooks no further delay.
Better we leave it till he assumes charge and come to grips with the over all policies alround.
Ths intention sounds good.This may be reviewed later for the good of their own national interests later,who knows.
These nationalist forces should prevail on others
to see reason and to desist from adopting any agitational approches,for there is nothing to gain or loose.
It would be interesting to watch how it develops further before 5th 0f this month.
But one could safely conclude,the chances of the indivisual staging a come back are remote.
What would be the outcome would be only known on or after 5th September.
Even then one could not be sure whether it is the final one.
They apprehend that TATA''S NANO would capture the world markets and put them in a spot.The politics associated with the project is only a mask on the face of it.
If it leads to an introspection with open mind and in a positive manner,it helps them and the country.Needless to mention that one has to adopt to the times discarding the old dogmas.
The truth should be thoroughly investigated and the truth has to be brought forth as to who is the master mind,to distrub our peace,tranquility and harmony.
This mastermind,whoever it is should be brought to justice,which should be an example for all future generations of this great country.
Seperation issue was not of any recent origin.The less we speak on this is better.
It may be premature to hazard a guess in which direction the change follows.
Who knows he may prove to be different from other politicians in this regard.Time will reveal how he realises this badly missing ideal and ushers in the reformation of the society!!!
It is always better to give a try for the decision taken in any context and have a review of it periodically.
Sorry friend,the state was not under army rule in the last 20years.Yes,the army personnel have been deployed ay times,at the behest of the civilian rule only.This is only to put the record straight.
You are very right sir.But to err is human,be it any one.The Army has to be called in,to take over the administration,when things do go out of control totally.No escape from it.
It is good not to have commercialisation.The same term could have been incorporated in the government allottment contemplated DURING 2005,or
in the subsequent cabinet decision,before the issue of the order by the government,and once again PDP was a party to this collective cabinet decision.
If this matter even later could have been discussed across the table and thrashed out,instead of the same PDP leaders withdrawing from the government,joining forces with others and leading the unwarranted protests,we should not be discussing this affair.
Sorry friend,a messy situation has been created intentionally or even otherwise.Even now better both the sides sit together and sort out the issue first,than allowing it to escalate further.
But let us all remember we all are INDIANS first and last.No government would allow an anarchic situation and an insult to the NATIONAL FLAG.
We only allowed ourselves to be hostages to our
"murky politics & indecisions".This is costing us dear.No further comments are needed,if we all learn a lesson from our own lapses.
If he could bring a real transformation in the society or politics or governance,he would become a "legend" for posterity to remember and cherish.
Or else he would be yet another wash out.
Each one wants to squeeze the other till the last moment to get a better deal.This is a game of musical chairs.
Earlier,after the onset of the leftist rule,in W.B,the industries migrated to other centers,due to regular strikes,bandhs and gheraos!This the position continued for about three decades.
Now the leftists are tasting their own pudding.
"AGITATORS CANNOT BE BUILDERS"
Neither the farmers nor the labourers pay any taxes,more so for INDIA''S industrial progress specifically.
DISTINCT ENTITIES/REGIONS, KNOWN AS "JAMMU,KASHMIR AND LADAKH".
They may regret their ignorance all the while and wish to correct it.
Friend,The peace process had its chance for about 75 days.A small piece of land transfer with in the state,which is purely civilian in nature, is different from the charges of secession/seperation and sedition,which amounts to "treason".
I happened to mention else where,the laws should be applied to all equally and uniformly.This may satisfy you better.
No country allows its citizens to hoist and carry the flags of another country,on its land and soil,infringing on its sovereignty.
Let us all as citizens of INDIA hold our heads high,but not down with shame.
No further industrial investments would flow to this state.This is for certain,whether TATAS move out or not with the NANO experience.
People wonder,how could her superior,who also faces the same charge along with another,conduct an and conclde a departmental enquiry enquiry.
It raises a basic question,whether,he has been vested with the powers as a competent authority to order the departmental enquiry? Even then,if he is also facing the same charge as alleged,how come he could head the enquiry and be a prosecutor/defence/judge simultaneously?
The woman says she is heading for the HC to get justice.The dirty lenin is going to be washed there.
That threatens the very social fabric of the nation and all out efforts need to be addressed, to resolve this problem with absolute clarity,which is badly missing.
It may snow ball into yet another major political problem,if not controlled in time.
Both are trying their best or else it would have not come to this stage.The final touches are being given to a new draft, to sail through in 4th september''s meeting.
Sure all concerned in this process know it better,that we all are coexisting in an interdependent world.
It is trying to address the latest problem(Amarnath land controvercy) and resolve it first,since there is nothing new cropping afresh
regarding Kashmir problem,as it has been there since independence and Its solution is a long drawn affair.
LET US ALL WISH SUCCESS to restore peace and harmony for the people in J&K state.
We see agitations or bandhs or protests all most daily in some part of the country or others.Politicians interfere in administration,which they ought not to,in the first place and it is a pity most officials are not able to stand up to face them squarely.
People wonder to whom the administration should report and be answerable.Can any party man/woman, summon the government officials and call for their explanations,pass orders and assaign tasks at the whims and fancies?
The classic recent example,not to speak of others happened,when a congress party functionary,who is also a very responsible MP summoned the DISTRICT MAGISTRATE,to the party''s meeting to pass on the instructions/orders,and he silently accepts.
When the distinction between a party and government disappears,all know what remains.
As observed by the SC bench recetly,while hearing a case that "even God cannot help this country" clearly establishes the fact to what depths we have fallen,despite calling ours is the largest democracy.
They feel if they are developed INDIA gets fully developed.some psycophant has said in the past,that X is INDIA and INDIA is X.This dictum is truthfully followed now at all levels.No further comments are needed.
There is an adage a stich in time saves nine.In this fast changing world none has the patience to wait endlessly,looking at the skies!!!
Heavens did not fall.The earth continued to move around.The universes did not crumble due to this late recognition.
However,the help from the Army could be made available in exceptional cases like " grave natural calamities".
The army should be given full freedom to act,inorder to bring the situation under control and to restore normalacy.
In only such a conducive atmosphere,any talks or negotiations with various groups would yield the tangible results.Any delay in this regard,costs heavily.
You are perfectly right sir.
Friend,there is no bar in forming N number of parties,be at the state level or central level.How ever the EC is vested with certain powers,to recognise a party as national or not,depending on the fixed % of votes polled norm.It was interesting to note that once the communist parties were derecognised as national parties,for their failure in not polling the requisite % of votes.
We need a constitutional amendment to confine the regional parties to the states only and disallowing them to contest the LS elections.
Agree fully sir.It is chiefly attributable to lack of professional ethics.
Leaders,be it from political or religious groups,who ever instigates or incites either to distrub peace and harmony in the society or call for the seperation/scession/sedition, should be arrested immidietely,unmindful of the fact how great one is or of the consequences.
"INTERESTS OF THE NATION ARE PARAMOUNT".
Our leaders taught the people about the law defyance but not obeyance.This did culminate in all ills,leading to degeneration and decay in the society.
Instead of having a rule,we have either a misrule or no rule in the country,unfortunate though.
To retrive the situation,we need a strong national leader with a will to act and act sternly if the situation calls for it,to solvage the greatest damage done already.
MR.Ratan Tata said to mean that the loss to W.B.is more than to them.How true!
MR.jeejabhai,it is always the soul that decides what it wants but not the perishable body.The question is whether a city as such has a soul or not?.
If it means, it is a single soul comprising of all the living souls in the city,which is not the case.
Sure the majority of them do not want the pubs and their live music and want to sleep in peace.It should be respected,ours being a democracy.
MR.jeejabhai,Your agony and anguish are equally shared with due sympathies to all the bereived families.We both view the same object and so are others.
Oppurtunities rarely knock the doors.when it did,we failed to take advantage of it to resolve this issue once for all.Now we may have to wait for one,since things changed ever since we missed it earlier.Trust this clarifies.BTW.
A nod from NSG in the next two days may not be forth coming,as these members feel that NSG would be setting up an undesirable precedent.
One has to wait for next round of its meeting by this month end to know the final outcome.
They should not waste their time in trying to build up oppurtunistic "fronts" with unscrupulous elements.
This is no way to work for the good and welfare of the poor and downtrodden people.
They should rely on its own ideology,than indulging in oppurtunistic politics.They should not wasre their time and energies in trying up to build up some fron or the other,with all unscrupulous elements.
This is no way of fighting for justice and welfare of the poor and downtrodden people.
It is futile to indulge in conjectures,under the circumstances.
Now the question is how to bring back J&K together,to restore its glorious culture?
One can have a strategic relationship,without a N-DEAL.
The others would manage to get the waiver at NSG,
viewed in the context of mutual interests.
With all the twists,turns and colours added to it.
Not worth commenting any further.
They acted with promptness in rising to the occassions.
It is only a matter of time.
a celebrity writer.She continued it saying India wants freedom from Kashmiris.
Yet no action from government aganist all such elements!
The central government was busy finalising other deals and had little or no time to give a thought to this problem.Time and tide waits for none.It has its own course.
Why shy away from calling a spade a spade?.with partisan and passive attitudes no government could ensure the rule of the laws.
This is no way to maintain the integrity of the country.This may be a way to retain power at all costs.
J&K HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF iNDIA,EVEN LEGALLY.None can dispute this at any point of time.
This was put in a muddle intentionally or unintentionally,may be in all good faith.
The Less,we(people}speak about it is better.
It remained only as a mute spectator from day one
and followed the saying that "time alone would solve" the problem.May be this may ultimately prove to be correct,for none has precisely defined TIME so far.
Let us all hope this time it sticks and strengthens democracy.
Hope this will have an impact on the problem solvers.
What is the use of repeated sermons to drive them out? They are just out own shadows!
Friend,as you rightly mentioned,all the three parts of J&K under the article refered by you, have the same rights and resposibilities.
The need of the hour is to have wisdom to sit together by all concerned and find a solution to this situation.
He guided the destnies of Pakistan in the most troubled times.This has been a fact,not withstanding the INDO-PAK relations?
Do our Indian muslims consider this as fair?
India had "three Muslim presidents" and none was treated in this manner.
My appeal to all, and muslims in particular to have an introspection and be inclusive part of the INDIAN main stream in all activities.Let us prove we are Indians first and any thing next.
"JAIHIND"
This indicates a step forward in its development
and progress.
We badly need a review of elctoral laws,making it incumbent that a winning candidate,need to cross the 50% mark of the votes polled,if necessary by introducing the subsequent preferential voting system, to his first preference.
Alternatively, we should have a proportional representation system,wherein, the elections are fought on the strength of their ideologies and manifestos,and the parties fill in their "prorata quotas" with candidates of their choice.
No post poll arrangements to cobble up a majority and no defections of any kind should be allowed and the member(s) should be expelled atleast for two terms.
This is essential for a healthy growth of democracy.
If it is that simple,it could have been solved when Late madam BHUTTO was the PM, twice in that country.
Let us not make fun of the gravity of the issues and situations.
The issue of a small piece of land allotted by the state government,it assumed first the colours of regional,then communal and now internaional.
The government can no longer afford to be a mute spectator in this farcical drama and has to act first and fast,by sealing the borders including the LOC,and ensure that no blockades of it''s rail and national highways,in J&K,take place.
The government could also refer the matter for judiciary simultaniously and its judgement should be binding on all parties.
No more time should be wasted with dilly dallying in the matter.
How is government going to deal with such elements?
One has to wait for a clear picture to emerge,after a change.
May be what needs is to tie up the loose ends.
This may have to be looked into from different angles,in arriving at a solution.
HE WANTED HIM TO LOOK INTO THIS PROBLEM.Let us all hope a tangible solution would emerge.
It is purely an administrative problem to be sorted out,and it would be unfair to add colours to it.
People of J&K need to treat this piligrimage as a "tourist center",which would benifit them alone,since no piligrim would like to stay away from the home and settle some where,specially in the inhospitable regions.If this aspect is made clear to the people,sure they would understand it.
Things should be seen in the proper perspective and people should in all fairness, leave it to the government to come out with an unbiased administrative solution,purely on the merits,for their own good.
When the desion is made, the government should stick to it,unlike the other decisions it made hitherto.
We have seen that all things are possible in the realm of politics friend.Politics as such is an absurd theatre.
This example should be a "motivating factor" for others,how to act fast and right,in assembling the various pieces of a zigsaw puzzle.
This is mainly attributable to self centerism and egoistic tendencies.
People are reaping it''s dangerous consequences even till date ever since.
Whether they would succeed or not depends on several factors. It is a remote possibility,VIEWED FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES.
It is a long long way to go to reach itself to call it as a "mature democracy".
Even the pak president''s speech is loud and clear.It is an incitement/ encouragement to the seperatists here.
Nothing wrong in appealing friend.But depending on the gravity of the crime,the government should take an expeditious decision in the matter,to dispense the case,instead of giving a stock reply of there are others in the line.
This nothing but to appease a section,due to vote bank politics.
This has led to the protests from the people of JAMMU as a logical sequence,but not the other way round.
The government,having found itself in a bind,lost the direction,where by things in the state went out of control.Both these decisions taken were purely political in nature.
Now this is the time,when "the spiritual leaders of both communities sit together in a calm atmosphere, to evolve a reasonable formule,with all their wisdom,in the interests of the peace and communal harmony in the state",away from the dust and din of politics and politicians.
The need of the hour is to understand each other than to misunderstand.After a solution emerges from and out of these discussions,the government could step in to give effect to it.
The earlier this is done it is better.
God entertains no bargains.He has set the laws of the nature in motion,which does not require any constitutional amendments.
THEY HAPPENED TO BE THERE,AS THEY ARE INDIAN CITIZENS.
It would send wrong signals alround.
People are wondering,her next landing would be where!
They knew fully well that the outcome would only be a still born child.
Let the governments not forget the fact that the state of J&K has two more regions,namely JAMMU AND LADAKH,comprising of people,other than the KASHMIR valley too.
When we pamper only one ignoring the others, or taking them for granted for ever,the alienations do take place,however much it is detestable.
Why to find fault with the law enforcing agencies,when they act,with in the confines of the law?
ANY SENSATIONAL NEWS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE MEDIA.
The church should co-operate,with its findings if any,for enabling to find the truth of the matter.
All TV news channels specially,have been visually showing these on goings there, round the clock.People are following them closely to draw their own conclusions.
When these are applied selectively,they give room for divisions of all sorts among the people.
This is what most of the people are wondering at.
Sir,you are not far off in your comparisons,but for the fact that one has to pay for the quality.
MR.RAJAYE_HIND,The psychopaths are mentally deranged persons,who act emotionally,without any objective.
The terrorists are highly motivated persons with an objective.
This is all the difference between the two.
FRIEND,None can esape the moment,when it strikes,even assuming all facilities,checks and balances are put in place.Can we?
Secularism as practiced is a convienient tool for oppurtunism.
The government metculously follows a que system,in the list of pending appeals with the government,after the final sentencements.
This case has to wait for its turn.
As long as the laws of the land permit it,one has to accept it.
This in effect nullifies any advantage to the employees otherwise accruable to each one of them.
It is advisible to link the pay hikes automatically atleast once in six months,commensurate with the rise in price indexes.
This will dispense with the practice of appointing these commissions once in 10 years.(Earlier it used to be five years) and the resultant wasteful expenditure,by the government.
This gives him confidence and courage,to scale the heights in life.
Any good and great work done cannot go unnoticed.
One cannot rise a super structure on weak foundations.
It simply exists.Its varied activities and experiences are only its manifestations.
Only then, it acts as a deterent for others.
A visual scene forms an ever lasting imprint,than to get it printed in some corner of the columns.
But the greatness lies in cherishing every moment in life.
NEITHER THE FAMILIES NOR THE GOVERNMENTS HERE ANY TIME TO CONCENTRATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF ATHLETES.
The government thinks by providing marginal facilities by way of budget allocations,their job is done.It is by sheer accident out of their own interest,a few individuals make their mark,by their hard work.
When one succeeds,all come forwrd to take take the credit.
If they are on caste and communal lines,they are great BONANZAS for them.
HE stood up to face it,unlike cowards as you mentioned,irrespective of the result.One can wait for the result.
With more than 200 countries participating,where as T20s are being played with a limited group of countries every year,with several championships,in which WC happened to be one.
This heavily loaded schedules for this game,every year,though thrilling,is infact chilling the spirit of the players.
1. Equal oppurtunities to all could be provided.However,the quantum and quality have a price.People could be motivated,but initiatives have to come from individuals,to move up and forward.
2.None stops the governments to act aganist such people.Only the governments need to be honest to implement the laws.
3& 4. They relate to personal religious faiths and choices,which are allowed under the laws.
This is evident from his calling the parliament session to meet today,which incidentally happened to be his birthday.
Now people are now waiting to see whether the centre acts firmly in dealing with the situation,before it goes out of control and assumes larger proportions,which are not desirable.
Let us not forget the fact that there are too many aspirants for this post.
As it is, nothing has been evolved and the all party delegation has been a big flop,seen in the context of the threats that followed their talks.
It has nothing to do with India''s secularism which is a principle enshrined in our constitution.No fears.
They may find it some where, at some point of time.
This is a price people have to pay for their indiscretions,in having elected such people as their representatives at the first instance.
FOR THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE AND INTERESTS OF THE NATION?
How is it, that there is no convergence on the basic principles and policies in that direction,instead of a convergence only to share the power for their self interests?If this is the type of convergence we have,it only encourages divisions in the society.
Let all parties realise this and atleast wake up now to work together for the good of the people,before it is too late.
But in the first instance, when the state cabinet, on applying its mind allotted about 40 hectacres of land to ASB,was it not a modality?
How could PDF being a partner of the government and a party to the cabinet decision,join the protestors aganist this "decision" in the Kashmir valley?Was this a modality?
Why should the government revoke its order with in three days of protests,in the Kashmir valley and that too under pressure? This could also be a modality.
The subsequent events that followed were all supposed to be modalities.
On which modality the people and government are going to finally zero in,will be quite interesting,under the given circumstances.
In the first place,how could they close them,without bringing the culprits to book,where ever they are? Is it not the job of the government to hunt for them with the help of INTERPOL?
Sounds absurd,but it is possible.
How it goes about it, is its business and is answerable not only to India,But also for the International community as well.
Needs to be seen how it is going to be accomplished.Wish they succeed.
The present situation is the culmination of both these orders,unfortunately.
In the meeting chaired by the PM,today,with an appeal to all to maintain peace,let us wish it all success in acomplishing this task.
MR.rebel,this is the first time you have equated
India(HINDUSTAN),satirically though,for the SC has not mentioned so in its observations made in a different context yesterday.
However,I agree with their observations,which reflects the majority opinion of the people.
No investor would like to see that his investments are locked up.
One is the surrogate mother,both the parents and ultimately the child.This is only a recent trend set in by the moneyed people to exploit the helplessness of poor women.
The prudent course would be to adopt an orphan child,where none of them go with a guilty feeling.
We have these mothers even otherwise,which is not in the public knowledge.In the former case a stigma is attached either with or without laws.This is all the difference.
Well,your suggestion could also be considered by the second SRC,as and when it is constituted and comes into existance.
It is just like attending to a crying baby.J&K has three children.No body is thinking of the forgotten third one.
The changes in demography follow a different pattern.Specially in case of piligrimages,it is the locals who get benifitted,but not the piligrims.It is an absurd and perverted logic.
NO need to mix up the religious faiths with governance.
When and where to pray or not goes with one''s own faith.
Quite true sir.
Away from the problem no permanent solution emerges.
Given the current stand points it is very much doubtful.
With toning up all the administrative agencies and ensure the participation of the people,by bringing in an alround awareness.
With the best of intentions and efficient administrations, at best it could only be minimised.
These terrorists just disolve themselves,as it happened else where,become dormant for a while,and start striking back whenever and where ever possible.
When we have been sleeping with it since long by our side,what is there to compromise?
USA says it is a "clean and conditional deal".India says,it should be a "clean and unconditional deal".
There lies the catch,and what comes out is to be seen.
Terrorists can pick up their enemies,place and time of their strikes at their choice and vanish.
Their''s is a fight on the ground,where as the people have to fight them either in the air or underground,which takes a little more time in aimimg at them.But it is not an impossible task.
With alround determination,dedication and discipline,people can and will root them out.It is only a matter of time.
It is still unclear,and being debated whether "internal security" is a state''s responsibility or that of the centre.
If the governments both at centre and states are so inapable of understanding it,better the HON''BLE President refers the matter, for the opinion of the Supreme court, at the earliest,without any further delay.
He might be mulling over the matter sitting in his cozy room.
It is welcome.But there should be a cordinating agency,to channelise the energies of the people.This agency is only the government.
This issue has four elements.A trauma, the science,morality and legality.A consensus has to be evolved first,by the government on this subject.
The cetre is looking at it,says the HM.
But it tried to ride on the two horses and lost its way in the jungle of politics.
Applying the same rule as mentioned hither to,that even terrorism, relates to a state subject of LAW & ORDER,central intervention may be unwarranted,and looks ridiculous,since the state has enough laws to control the violence.
These Changes are quite unpredictable.
Values in life are the ones which each individual
sets before one''s self and cherished,be it moral,spiritual,economical,political,official
social, or traditional.Earlier,a common interconnecting thread used to run through all these, known as "DHARMA" in Sanskrit or "DUTY" in English,though not a fully equivalent word.
As observed now,most people have little time to think of them,having lost themselves in a world, where only self interests matter.
You are right on dot.Terrorism affects all people,be it a majority or minority.People should wake up to this reality and move together as one,to ward of this evil,once for all.
But no government could absolutely avoid certain
unexpected natural calamities and the resultant losses.They could at best, have the risk/disaster management machinery put in place to some extent or large extent,depending upon the country''s economic status.
But in some exceptional cases,where the doctors are apprehensive about the birth of a healthy baby on medical grounds,better to leave the choice to the parents,as it is they and the new born,who have to bear the trauma life long.
Meaning the centre and states with regard to use of laws and creation of a new federal agency,to counter terror.
This much is evident going through his statements,as reported in THE HINDU dated 3rd August,at page 10.These type of comments coming from the union Home minister are least conducive to combat the terrorist activities.
"WE" the People expect unified actions in this direction,but not politics.
MR.rkchhavi,it is advisible to get this matter sorted out politically as quickly as possible to diffuse the situation.
KRISHU,This only shows how rotten our systems have become ineffective,from top to bottom,may be with a few exceptions here and there.
MR.Nariman,did I say it was UPA? I only mentioned about a political will coming from the government.Nothing less and nothing more.Needs no further comments.
Sure all would agree.
Specially when these terror squads,under diffrent names come from other countries with or without local collusions.
This proxy war aganist our country and people has been going on since a very long time,with no effective actions from ourside to counter them.
MR.Nariman,today the speaker of LS said that he is not quitting this post.He meant to convey that he holds a "non political constitutional office",and intends to continue his tenure.
He might be right with his said and unsaid intentions and their interpretations,he himself being a lawyer.
Now we need to cross two more as I mentioned in my post below.Congrats to the team that has worked relentlessly wish it all the best all through.
SOUNDS AS UNFORTUNATE AND NEEDS IMMEDIETE MEDICAL ATTENTION.
siraz,a highly appreciable post.Please keep it up.
MR.stopperbhai,so you agree that we have other terrorisms,beside Muslim terrorism.Unfortunately one breeds the other,however much distasteful it is.So what is the use of lamenting day in and day out,blaming each other?
We are optimists and hope only time will sort out all the problems.
When we could opt for a requisite action only God knows.What can''t be cured has to be endured.
This is one of the important points discussed by
PM &OPP.LEADER in a one to one latest meeting on internal security.
MR.Nariman,let us agree to disagree and leave this tangle to be sorted out by constitutional experts.Till such time this could remain as one of the grey areas.
MR.VIKAS,I hope you mean when you say research on this,it is an investigation.
True,the investigations should cover the leads from all angles,including the political links,as you mentioned.
It is an uphill task fraught with hazards.
Parliamentary elections(LS),Assembly elections at different periods,what ever be the reasons,Panchayat elections,Municipal elections,Rajya sabha elections,midterm elections,By elections etc.
Apart from the costs at the cost of the people,these elections divert the attention of the people from thinking any thing about the promises they made and their lapses there after.
So the people are ever prepared to have elections.It is their bread and butter.
MR.Nariman,you can guess it for yourself,what I would have said on all such arrangements.
MR.Nariman,the reponsibility might have forced him to threaten like that.But now he opted for it himself.Let us see.
It does not want to have a post poll alliance with UPA.It does not want BJP.It does not want Mayawati to be a prime minister.Yet it wants to have a poll adjustments with BSP.It says a third front is not possible now. So what are its options?Probably It wants others to support it to form the government,to keep communal BJP out of power.May be possible who knows.
It sees an oppurtunity there.
People mostly see dishonesty alround them.Now they will see the honesty for a change.
Due to commercialisation,to make heros out of zeros,too much of terroricm,militancy and violence are being dished out to the public.
Towards this end,Insted of showing respect and conformance to the laws,defiance of the laws is given more importance.The results are practically seen,in every walk of our lives.
MR.Nariman,despite the fact that the clues led the police to about 31 suspects earlier,in HYDERABAD,all of them have left the country,to find their safe heavens abroad.
(for details please refer to the D.C of today.)
MR.Nariman,if POTA comes in to the picture,only after a "criminal" is caught,why do we need POTA itself.
Your inference indicates that it is not applicable to the "suspects" relating to the crime.If this be so,the police can never apprehend any one to solve the case.
It is just like asking for a moon sir.
The last sentence is incomplete,unless you continue it with.."and we wake up only after 24 hours,after the event".
All know the terrorists are cowards who fight under the cover of darkness,but not face to face.We also know how to fight them,but we do not know of its timing.Movies are different and this is real life.
MR.Nariman,in the absence of the political will, coming from the government,the talent looses it''s direction.Even if it is outsourced,as suggested by you,the result would be the same.It makes little difference.
FRIEND,even in a federal structure,maintainance of security both "external and internal ultimately rests with the centre".
The states are vested with the powers to maintain law and order.These two aspects should not be mixed up.Evidently security is distinct and different from mere law & order.
It is good if the states co-operate,but states cannot resist the central interventions to maintain internal security,as demanded by the situations.This is all my submission.
It is but a necessity where people live with threat perceptions,and need to be protected by the rulers.The black sheep exist in all societies.
While there is nothing wrong inlearning good things from others,we should put in our improved version to counter.We have the talent for it but lack a political will and direction.This is the unfortunate part.
One feels sorry for him the way he is going to quit politics.
Even assuming it could be a reality.Restraint,a cool thinking and silent actions are very much needed in this type of adversity,to face it aquarely.
Time has run out for the government to act upon,having wasted about four and half years,with concerns about its own survival.
Is it? I didn''t name any specifically friend.
Let us forget about the speedy trials,as we are still debating under which law(s) the terrorists should be booked.
All sleep walkers get into the death traps one day or the other.
For the governments follow the devide and rule policy.
Let us all await for this new viable structure in the near future expeditiously.
A lot of spade work needs to be done silently and calmly to bring it to the center stage.None denies the need to have one.
Their simplicity is highly appreciated.
Friend,I do not want to devalue the meaning of the word NATIONALIST.
Indeed a sorry state of affairs.
POTA OR NO POTA,politicians would always try to settle their political scores one way or the other.
As you said,the highly motivated terrorists,may not care for their lives while spreading the terror.This is no reason to shy away from enacting a stringent law as a deterent,since the existing laws are not able to cater to the need of the hour,to protect yhe lives of the people and property.
Then what and who is stopping the implementation to perfection?Was there at any point of time,a state of perfection?
The simple answer is their quarrel is not with
VHP/RSS/BJP combine alone and it is aganist all Indians,for in their attacks all combines are affected.
The people would appreciate it,for effective steps would automatically follow to curb terror.
National interests are paramount.
When this was scrapped,the subsequent events have proved that the existing laws are inadequete,to deal with the terroist activities.
The stringent laws enacted and enforced in other countries,subsequent to the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks specially in USA,where not even a single terrorist attack took place, reinforces their resolve to protect their people,at all costs.
If that be so, only chaos will prevail in all societies around the world,the consequences of which would be disastrous to the humanity.
The number of injured has gone uo from 23 to 30 now.The pattern of the blasts is similar to that of B''LORE serial blasts.A pattern is slowly but surely is emerging.Let us watch out.
Will they not influence INDIS''S international face? An attack is an attack only,whether it is on high or low,rich or poor.This has to be dealt with no discrimination.
This is possible only when an alround awareness how to go about it is brought about in the public minds.Other wise their participation could only be sporadic by accident.
From north to south and east to west.It a known fact that some or should we say all these groups have the patronage either directly or indirectly from one or the other political parties,barring a few possibly to serve their self/vested interests.
Unfortunately common and innocent people are the sufferers.They have yet to see a decisive action to put down this scourge with an iron hand to save the people.
Does this mean that LEFT is not nationalist?While it may appear to be above board,people wonder from which source(s) it gets funds to fight the elections at prohibhitive costs.Any comments on this?
We are yet to cross the next three stages with probable hickups during its passage.
This relates to an internal aggression by the forces inimical to our country and should be dealt with by the central government,as it is it''s responsibility, to maintain both the interbal and external security of the country.
With pre independent rules,proceedures and weapons,terrorism cannot be uprooted from our midst,when terrorists attack with modern and highly sophisticated weapons.
Central government cannot afford to be passive any more and should own the responsibility of maintaining the internal security in coordination with the states to root out this menace with an iron hand.
The need of the hour is to tone up the administration to take the effective steps like sealing the borders, deporting the illegal migrants and keeping a constant vigil,to freeze all suspected accounts in the banks etc.
This should be the minimum action expected by people to start with.
Any visionary leader has to reckon with the population growth while planning for the development of the requisite infrastructural facilities for improving the living standards of the people.
This aspect should not be the basis to explain away the failures.
If the decision is not to release them for the public to see,there goes a long tragic tale.
There is no reason to find fault with the party,when certain action is taken in conformance of its laws.
Unless this is done the prices continue to rise burdening the AAM ADMI,while lowering the growth rate.People does not want to be a witness for yet another INDIA shining example.
1.Gracefully resign from the post of the speaker and as an MP also.This will enhance his stature as a man of principles,both in the annals of parliament''s history and in public perception.
OR
2.Continue to preside as the speaker till the next elections at the behest and in the company of the disgraced UPA,for it fears to face the parliament once again to elect a new speaker for the remaining tenure of the parliament.
This brings down his image in the eyes of the public,though constitution permits his continuance.
People are interested to watch,which course he follows.
INDIA IS LOBBYING FOR SUPPORT IN ALL THE THREE BODIES.
Let us hope it would be through,well before the present US presidential term expires.
He is a better judge to decide on his own decisions and actions.
Non conformance to the provisions of the party''s constitution is considered to be indiscipline,indifference and impertinence.The disciplinary actions are taken accordingly,aganist members for flouting the articles,decisions and rules in any party.We do not call this as the result of frustation.
All parties have resorted and continue to resort to the expulsions of their members at some time or other.
The mettle of the leadership comes to the forefront in adversity,in convincing and carrying the people along,but not by going back on the promises made to the people.
You have a valid point there friend.The infant has to grow,inspite of the child''s faultering steps,in the foot prints of the elders,right or wrong.
The people are yet to see the light.
One has to catch up with the changing times.
It is a fact that it is declining and degenerating by the day.
On the other hand it is diminished despite the win of the trust vote.
Friend,I still wonder whether we made the systems or the systems moulded us.As long as we continue to live in or with the same set up,it matters little who is our neighbour,for we need to coexist.There is no denying the fact of what exists around us.
It is nice to share our thoughts one again with you in particular and all other friends.BTW.
Crisis management is not the dish of every body.It is an art by itself.It requires both vision and spade work to meet all such contingencies.
The reasons are quite obvious.
People are amused and astounded to see this farcical drama.
As long as it is transperent and majority of people are convinced that it is so.
Said and done,it may not be an issue for a majority people,for it is all greek and Latin for them.
If at all it interests some, they question back,how soon they are going to get the electric power out of it,for a comfortable living.
The pertinent question remains,how best the crises is managed,with in the confines of its constitution.
As he happened to preside over this debate.
It is this aspect on which the indian polity has been vertcally divided.The deal has international ramifications,while the price rise is an internal matter to be tackled.
Mostly he confined his speech to the issue on hand,for which the trust vote is being sought.
MR.KARAT,GS OF CPI-M,made it amply clear that it is left to MR.Somnath''s choice,though he happened a member of his own party.How does the courage on his part could come into the picture?
This is a non issue in the present context.
It is a self goal made by the UPA.It failed to take the main opposition into confidence in their blind hatred towards BJP/NDA from the begining and not addressing the concerns of the LEFT by playing the hide and seek game with them althrough.
The issues of inflation leading to high price rises and fall in the industrial growth etc have come in handy,to put the GOVT in a tight spot further.
In a scenario,where the principles and ideologies of all parties have gone with the winds and individual self interests are alone are counted.The nation and people are dismayed at the turn of events,leaving aside the very pertinent issue,the N-DEAL and its merits or demirits.This is just politics.The UPA has to blame itself for this mess.
The drama being enacted alround made INDIA a laughing stock in the eyes of the world unfortunately.
It treated the NDA constituents as untouchables and was overconfident of its abilities in convincing the left and carry along.No efforts were made in the direction of evolving a consensus since 2005.Finally when it went to IAEA
on 7th july 2008,despite the opposition from the LEFT,it''s subsequent withdrawal of support to the UPA GOVT,it landed itself, in an avoidable crisis,placing itself at the mercy of even single MPs to win the trust vote.
The result will be known on 22nd,which way finally the wind blows.People are aghaust at the turn of events by the hour each day,making a mockery of democracy, void of any etheics and morals in this power game.
IAEA is meeting on 1st August to decide on the further course.
But the fact of the matter is,people will have to endlessly wait for this great event to take place.
The governments have no time to spare to take the remidial steps,as they have been engrossed of their own survival.
UPA constituents have since long branded as communal and untouchable.The left and UPA joined forces only to keep BJP led NDA out of power.As such it is a far fetched proposition.
This has become a market place of all sorts of "Barter deals".
As long as the deal does not infringe on the sovereignty and independence,it should be taken to the logical end,in the national interest.
"POLITICAL POWER" to serve the self interests is the tentative binding force.It is just like shuffling a pack of cards where ideologies matters least.
But still about three and half to four days are ahead,before the crucial vote is taken,to hectically work on to succeed and it applies to both the camps with fluctuating fortunes.
Better to have discussions,as both the nations happened to be cordial friends.
Either it can make or break,not only the persons but also the governments.
People know fully well that neither the political morality and honesty have vanished in our polity long long ago.
But this raises a fubdamental question,whether a convicted person for life aganist a henious crime perpetuated,should continue to enjoy the other benifits as a citizen,including a "right to vote" under the constitutional provisions.
If so is it not a legal immorality,which needs to be reviewed and the constitution amended if need be.If not the line between the law abiding citizens and other criminals stand erased.
Theparty never said so.MR.Prakash Karat has said clearly,it was left to his discretion/choice.The CPI-M has also admitted the speaker''s name has been wrongly included in the list of MPs,withdrawing the support to the UPA Government.How can the party find fault with him now,when he excercised his choice?
Thanks for proving me right regarding the oppurtunistic politics indulged in without exception,throwing the principles and ideologies to the winds.BTW.
This could be made possible only by winning through a no confidence motion.
SO the trust vote has lost its relevance except to provide solace to the winner.
She may have to work her equations and arthimetics right in that direction.
This is the right way to really help the deprived class.Quotas did little help to remove the inequalities since independence.
Only SP (Amar singh) made it possible.It is a different matter that both PMO & AMAR SINGH tried to give a white wash to this meeting,which did not stick well,for the public to fall for it.It only sullied the image of PM.
When it gave the green signal to IAEA.This action is legally valid.What happened after that date or is happening or may happen later is of no consequence now in the context of the vote of confidence.
Till that date it was in majority with outside supporters.Hence the vote of support now on the floor of the house, makes little difference whether it wins or not the vote of confidence,because,it still could continue as a care taker government for a period of another six months,or untill the fresh elections are held.
Now the ball is in the court of USA to take it forward.The voting in the Indian parliament has no relevance and is inconsequential.Now It is only a matter whether the elections would be on schedule or preponed.
If that be so the laws,rules and procedures would become infructuous and redundant.Better to remove them from the statutes of constitutional governance.
All citizens can aspire and try their luck in the lucrative field.
Be it a moral or legal ground.He has a choice to firm up his decision on political ground.
Till the last vote is cast,none could affirm who wins,due to several ifs and buts that fluctuates the fortunes, for another week.
Till it comes forth with the absolute wanton culpability of the U.P.Police,no action could be taken.
What emerges out of it is any body''s guess.What permutions and combinations will take shape in future,NO ONE KNOWS PRECISELY.
What is needed is an effective co-ordination and decision making process.
Acts speak better than loud and long speeches.
The rest is politics in this context.
Instead of calling it a political Blackmail,the participants in this farce,like to use the most Honourable words like " give and take".
Irrespective of the merits or demerits of the text,the UPA has lost its credibility in the process.
We call it an agreement,when it is signed by both sides on mutual satisfaction.It is a give and take process.
Even after release on bail,Rajesh Talwar continues to remain on the list of suspects,till the final word is saidon this.This the factual situation.
Hence the solution lies in self reliance,instead of perpetually trying to live with borrowed strengths.
PEOPLE ENTER AND EXIT.It is a classical show free of cost to watch and enjoy.
He is concerned about making both ends of daily sustenence meet,which the soaring prices will not permit him and drives into heavy indebtedness.
It is always a matter of give and take.The fact that the cases aganist MAYAWATI are being pursued afresh,tells it all.Shall we call it vendetta,keeping silent over them as long as she supported the UPA?
Be it SP OR BSP OR ANY OTHER PARTY IN U.P.
It is no more a WIP.
It is reported that this was done on 7th itself and forwarded to IAEA.This matter should have been placed before MR.BUSH,by the PM,POSSIBLY ON THE SAME DAY,OR DURING THEIR DISCUSSIONS WHEN THEY MET, which might have been well appreciated.
In politics all are possible.
In politics all are possible.
Whether one agrees with their stand or not,there is nothing to surprise about it.But what surprises one, is the sudden volt face of the UPA in general and congress in particular,on this Tuesday night,which shows them in very poor light.
This made the difference and now turned out to be the anchoring point in polarisation of new allignments which are fast catching up.Uncertainity prevails in governance to the detriment of the people and nation.
By acting contrary to what it has promissed all the while.Either it wins or loses now is of little consequence.However this would be made an election issue as and when the elections take place,much to the chargin of the UPA.
He made it clear that he would seek it before going to IAEA FOR ANY FURTHER ACTION,which in fact has not been done.The green signal for IAEA was given on the contrary,after the left has announced its withdrawl of support on tues day,and before it presented the letters of withdrawl,on wednessday,as the HON''BLE PRESIDENT was out of station,in a hurry on tuesday night itself, there by deceiving both the NATION AND ITS PEOPLE.This shows how honest we all are!!!
Unfortunately it made a mess of the whole thing from the begining and finally landed in a mess!!!
It should be a major stake holder!!!
It is not the job of others to sort out INDIA'S problems.It alone has to find the answers,for the energy problems,by tapping and augmenting all the options,since energy is a perpetual requirement for any country, wanting to prosper!!!
It is to benifit the people without which none could exist,be it cosmic, solar,thermal,hydro,nuclear or bio fuel etc.It is only a question of which resource one taps,for the betterment of people and development
to build a prosperous civilization ultimately.
In all this process we should realise that there is nothing like a clean flow of instant energy.It needs to be derived through some equipment or the other,which neededs time.
Any government has got to balance prodently the factors of the needs, costs and time,in this process and has to take a decision.
There could be N number of alternatives,but,
the government of the day has to base its decision to serve the long range interests of the people and nation!!!
1.Due to commercialisation in urban areas,there is no time for people to focus on religion.This shows that spiritualism has lost VS materialism!!!
2.If it means that the "Religion" itself has been commercialised,the distinction between urban areas and rural areas vanishes!!!
So far no substantiating evidence has surfaced.There are only suspects.Investigations into every possible angle is being looked into by the agency!!!
No government should remain as a hostage in the hands of others,where the national interests are supreme!!!
On the one hand we have a law that permits the drinking.On the other hand we have a law that prohibhits the drunken driving,which surfaces only after an accident takes place.There is no way to prevent drunkenness as long as the drinks are allowed to be consumed unlimited.There lies the falacy!!!
The script writers solely depend on them for their lively hood and cater to their tastes only!!!
It was clearly stated by the foreign minister that the choice before the government has been,either to go with the deal or survival of the government and they opted for the later.
As a matter of fact it was not mandatory for the government after signing the 123 agreement,to get it discussed and seek the approval of the parliament.But by going in circles,for the sake of its own survival,it landed in a mess!!!
This has to be viewed in the very concept of "GOD
AS A FORCE" which governs through the laws of the nature.When we call it a force,both the theists and atheists have to invariably converge on the "concept,content and context".They do differ only in its form,as per one's own individual perceptions of naming this "FORCE"!!!
In enhancing the inflation,besides increasing the NPAs of the banks which would hamper the growth in the right direction.One should produce wealth,before its distribution.Or else,the day may not be far off,for the nation to go bankrupt!!!
We need a lot more "electoral reforms".It is high time a more prudent judicial review is taken,to plug several other loop holes in evolving a healthy democracy!!!
Any investigation needs time.Better not to rush for wrong conclusions!!!
It should not be done for bringing in further divisions and sub-divisions,which would be detrimental to the interests of the nation.It is not desirable to go backwards into history!!!
It is only the politics,which has put it on "ventilators" periodically,due to vote bank politics.This negates the spirit of equality of oppurtunities for the population and perpetuates the "caste system" for all times to come, instead of eradicating it lock,stock and barrel!!!
He stands for changes,be it politics or economics
besides initiating social welfare measures.His election to the post may augur well for a new world order,despite the fact that he does not have the other wise long experiences of MCCAIN.
In other words,this contest would be between "CHANGE vs STATUSQO"!!!
These talks should culminate in coming to grips with the situation and arrive at a compromise.
So far no evidence worthwhile has come to the fore front!!!
Had our learned leaders originally made a constitutional stipulation,that the "economic backwardness" should be the basis,below a certain line,for reservations things would have been far better,in building up a modern INDIA.
It was unfortunate they then opted for the reservations based on castes,though for a specified period,has been perpetuated till date,adding further divisions to the list,by the successive governments,on political considerations and the same is being allowed to continue endlessly.
These wrong steps have only enabled us to score more "self goals".!!!
These would put fetters on the government and administration.May be with more than six decades of experiences,it is high time for our polity to evolve the basic national and international policies,with vision,that enables the continuation of the same for the good of the nation and people.If not the people may have to pay a heavy price as we go further!!!
The very fact that where ever we go,we see every street with littering waste,each house putting it at the other side and every nalla overflowing with stinking smell and let of freely into the lakes,rivers or any other low lying areas amply proves that we do not have any concern.It is not even lip service.This is the reality!!!
But in a country,where the respect for law is a rare commodity,with the polity is in shambles,
can we expect anything better???
Their national interests as is known would make them to subordinate their individual and party interests to the paramount one!!!
This is to be coupled and read with the economies of both the developed and developing countries.With a self imposed ceilings on outputs
as aganist the growing demands,an artificial scarcity conditions are created to rake in higher profits to the oil producing companies/countries at the cost of others.
When we add to this the higher taxations by the respective governments to generate more revenues to meet the costs of other developmental activities,we may better call it instead of mismanagement, the room for manoverabilities to balance the expenditure vs revenues becomes restricted,pushing any government to the corner.
This is the minimum expected of any government to lead by an example.Better late than never!!!
One is cut down the costs else where.The second one is to find means to earn extra income by any other means!!!
People think any oppurtunity open to them could be encashed.They are not sentimental!!!
be it an urban or rural life styles.Nuclear families have been on thr rise in place of joint families,leaving the aged people to fend for themselves.This is causing both financial and psychological problems.Few realise that this is a stage one has to invariably pss through.
Neither the people nor the government have made any planning to meet this situation,more so in a poor country like ours,to house the old people and attend to their needs.This is the most unfortunate part.
This a thougt provoking case which calls for a solution.Besides none wants to utilise the experriences and expertise of the senior citizens,though they are phisically capable of rendering the services.
May be the senior citizens come forward by floating NGOs,for the good of the society too!!!
The process in this direction to address the problem should be initiated at the earliest to find the solution,in conformity with the constitutional stipulations and laws thereof!!!
What surprises one is while people wish to go up the ladder,here is a case where this group wants to come down the ladder!!!
CBI IS A PROFESSIONAL BODY capable of bringinging forth the evidences,sustainable in the court of law.People look forward that this riddle would be solved bythem at the earliest!!!
When it links and passes on the fluctuations with regard to both the rise and fall of the prices,and passes the benifits too to the consumers when the prices fall,the people will digest it properly.
But unfortunately this is not happening,which is the root cause for the problem,and worry some.IT CANNOT BE A POLICY OF "HEADS I WIN & TAILS YOU LOOSE ENDLESSLY"!!!
Earlier we deported even the refugees back!!!
Atleast this has been the impression of the very common man so far!!!
The police are still gropping in the dark to get the evidence!!!
They transfered him back to judicial custody,and in all probability he may be let off soon,under the circumstances!!!
As long as it conforms to the verdicts/rulings given by the SC!!!
Going by the events and investigation!!!
So far it has been a wild goose chase,with no substantial evidence,in it's hands.This is the pity!!!
They will rush to the courts and EC,to get a favourable decision in their favour,before the ensuing assembly and LS polls!!!
It seems both the parties wish to go in appeal to the next higher court!!!
We have had umpteen cases where the higher courts did take a different views while disposing of the cases before them!!!
Though the cenral government rejected the letter of RAJASTAN CM initially,obviously on second thoughts,this matter has been refered to its law ministry,has also sought the views of the other CMs concerned.
This only goes to prove that this aspect is not an exclusive one state(RAJASTAN) subject and the centre need to act taking cognizance of the overall repursussions in the larger interests!!!
At the outset national interests should be kept above the political interests of the parties.
Firstly,the nation simply can illafford to allow the oil companies to go bankrupt.
Secondly the nation cannot sustain the projected losses of about RS.600/= crores per day.
This leaves the government with only two options chiefly,viz:-
1. Hike the prices proportionately with the rise in the price of the global market.Similarily there should be a decrease in domastic prices,as and when the global prices fall.A suitable mechanism could be evolved to serve the interests of both the government and the consumer.
2. Alternatively there should be a commensurate cut in customs duty on the imported crude,reduction of central excise duties and state sales tax.The resultant fall in the state revenues are to be born,by prunning some of the developmental activities.
3. we can also have a selective approch,combining both aspects as mentioned above.
Elections or no elections,a pragmatic view should be taken and a permanent institutional mechanism should be adopted in the long range interests of the Nation,government and the consumers,instead of having knee jerk reactions and vacillations every time!!!
This is a proverb.The same applies to all governments!!!
There are norms,guide lines and procedures for CBI to step in.Not that it takes the burden of each and every crime committed across the country.This is no solution to the problem!!!
This is no solution.What needed is that we should have qualified and well trained police from the gross root level,to conduct the preliminary investigations,by cordoning of the scene of the crime,before the top officials and experts are called in to look further.This will go a long way to streamline things in the set up!!!
Vote bank politics are being practised by all with out any exception to grab power.The principles and idelogies have been thrown to winds long ago.Should we call it a change of value system or total degradation and decay of the society!!!
This momentum gathers the mass and keeps on rolling making it difficult to stop!!!
The frustations,desperations and disappointments are quite understandable!!!Which system of governance is void of the problems mentioned by you???
But,people wish that it should help to expose the inadequecies of the sytems of governance,which alone would improve the matters!!!
WHEN A NOMINATION HAS BEEN ENTERTAINED IT IS DEEMED TO BE IN ORDER AND ANY CHARGE FROM THE OPPONENTS STANDS AS MOTIVATED!!!
This is seen to be missing viewed in the context of very heavy pendency of cases both criminal and civil.Even in this case now none could be sure that the final word has been said since the judicial system permits appeals after appeals from one court to the other higher court!!!
This would usher in a harmonious society!!!
We hear only floating conjectures and wild speculations!!!
One could at best say the investigation has been completed and the accused are produced in the trail court for further procedings!!!
No warrant WOULD BE ISSUED without the primafacie evidence.It is too premature to draw conclusions either way!!!
If not why do we need a constitution and laws made thereof!!!
One wonders what he wanted to achieve or covey.He is a part of the same constitution.
All things are possible in politics!!!
BUT FOR IT, TO MATERIALISE THE OBSTCLES ARE MANY
UNFORTUNATELY!!!
People know well this body is nothing but the political leadership at the helm of affairs!!!
You are right MR.Nariman.But we have mostly irrational people!!!
MR.Nariman,terrorisim has no boundaries,while nationalism is confined to its boarders.Hence the need for a unified international effort to face it squarely,which is not that simple,as we are witnessing!!!
Constant alround vigil,by all which includes the people,without any complecency alone, is the guarantee to minimise it, if not fully avoidable!!!
In the absence of the above the tensions are bound to rise!!!
The action follows later.One need to wait with patience.
FAILURE IS NOT FINAL.This quote aptly suits for all situations and at all times.
Across the country with new formulations.This may have to be viewed in concert with the bypolls,currently being held in A.P.too,which may throw out a better picture!!!
No party would get even a simple majority.It would be back to square one with a few + or - seats.The only interesting point is who joins whom in forming the government!!!
This is the only way to build a healthy democracy!!!
It goes without saying that there are bound to be match fixings!!!
Such a stringent action alone could usher in a healthy democracy.!!!
HIKE IS A MERE CONSOLATION AFTER THE PRICE RAISES AND CORRUPTION IS AN ATTITUDINAL HABIT.
While some of your suggestions are very pertinent,the enforcement authorities lack the courage to implement them,for their self interests would be effected,if acted upon!!!
Hence the corruption both by necessity and attitude invariably continues with not much of a visible effect!!!
MR.Nariman,no cause even if it is genuine should be allowed to take the civilization,built up over centuries,back into the stone ages,where man ate man.This no progress towards inclusive prosperity!!!
To curb such tendencies only,we have different forms of governance.If people are dissatisfied with one,they have an option to choose another one,"BUT bARBARISM IS NO REMEDY".
Hope you would agree!!!
POLICIES MAY CHANGE BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PRINCIPLES!!!
Policies may change but not necessarily the principles!!!
Let us all wish TATAS the best of luck in turning the loss making companies to profit making ones in a short time.They deserve alround congratulations for closing the deals!!!
This is a situation where ultimately the talent would be a casuality buffetted between from both sides!!!
India can not say any longer it is a civilised Nation!!!
With lower rates of lending and more money coming into the market will hike the inflation,more so with forward trading!!!
An issue that could not be resolved even after six decades and two wars,(Kargil action not included) may take some more decades to resolve it.One should be surprised if it is to the contrary!!!
lET A FREE HAND BE GIVEN TO THEM WITH NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCES.
The results would flow automatically!!!
But what is not expected is the inept handling by the government to take prompt corrective measures to control it!!!
If necessary it could draw the lessons,from those who are fighting the terror unhesitatingly.
No vacillations will help!!!
Let us not forget the fact that the government is duty bound to honour its agreement that TIBET is a part of CHINA!!!
Sports and politics should never be mixed up!!!
This is to be viewed in conjunction with MITTAL'S aquisitions and ONGC'S joint ventures outside INDIA!!!
MR.satishda,governance and administration are more complicated too!!!
Very much appreciated friend!But the human tendency is always to compare one self with the neighbour.This is how the class system has been brought in and still in work.Add this to the castebased reservations,where by merit and talent have become the casualities.A fellow who will not work does not work any how.But by comparisons, one who is capable of work with talent will cease to work.
The result is poor governance culminating in, lower efficiency with no or little productivity!!!
The fault lies with the political system,whose main moto is to cling on to power by hook or crook,unmindful of people's owes and miseries.BTW!!!
You are absolutely right sir.The false secular mask we wear to suit our convieniences,has proved to be hypocritical and fallen to the ground!!!
There is little time left to understand each other,and most of the partners find it much easier to understand the people,who spend more time with them in the given environment.
This is the root cause for several upheavals on the domastic front,with newly found freedoms and proximities!!!
The corruption has been deeply ingrained into our psyche,and we will not spare even GOD in our daily lives and prayers!!!
A WELL PLANNED STRATEGY,WITH A COOL HEADED DETERMINATION WILL SURELY HELP!!!
It is time to curb the anti social elements however mighty they are!!!
This is amply reflected in all fields,including politics!!!
This aspect should be built into the law to avoid any misuse by the people in the former case!!!
The international community,specially the UN to prod China to begin negotiations with DALAI LAMA,to arrive at a honourable and mutually acceptable settlement!!!
This only shows,that we are like frogs in the wells!!!
It left an alround impression that Indian government lost its secular credentials.This is unfortunate part of the fiasco!!!
The verdict on conviction is yet to come.
Due to coalition compulsions,confining her in a house for security reasons,is no hospitality extended.It would have been more honourable if she was asked to leave the country,after Kolkata fiasco!!!
To extract its pound of flesh,specially after the conflicting statements made by Kashmir singh,after his release!!!
More so as a concequence of Kashmir singh's volt face on retr=urn to india,after his release.It is different matter he made an about turn again on this statement!!!
This is mainly attributable to coalition compulsions and subsequent litigations obviously!!!
Seems it all depends on the favourable whether conditions!!!
The real pictures would start emerging after june 30th 2008,for people to properly evaluate!!!
This fundamental is known to all the investors.
Yet another true leader has to dawn on the scene,to inculcate the spirit of NATIONALISM to the majority of the people!!!
Sure most of them have neither seen the rural INDIA,nor do they understand their problems.This is the real INDIA which they should go to see and live with them for quite some time to represent them!!!
Cricket is the only game that is mostly encouraged at the cost of others.This is very unfortunate!!!
It may make a difference for those who are in this line of business!!!
It may make a difference for the people in this line of business!!!
The purpose is only to deal with all such situations.Strikes should not be made a routine affair.
It is only a matter of time when the markets will go bullish once again and this is a game that continues on and on.
A few cases of crimes do occur in all countries.Sweeping generalised remarks are unwarranted and these are to be dealt sternly,by the police.
Looks like it has become a fashion for every crime,the parties or people demand a central intervention or a CBI enquiry.If it is the case we do not need the state governments.
WHAT IS NEEDED IS AN ANTICIPATION OF GROWTH OF POPULATION AND THEIR LIKELY SHIFTS,TO PLAN BETTER.QHO KNOWS THAT THIS EXODUS MAY HELP THE ECONOMY TO GROW AS WELL!!!
Yet certain flare ups may araise,the human nature being what it is,which should be controlled without loosing any time!!!
MR.Nariman,is it not the same for all???
Nothing can be taken for granted till the last ballot is cast!!!
They tend to destroy all things that come in the way to serve their self interests,including other fellow humans,in a civilised or uncivilised manner.This has been their history and remains so for all times to come unfortunately!!!
KILLED all other games and sports,undoubtedly!!!
Friend,the observations made are too general and sweeping araising out of the presumptions and assumptions. There could be some black sheep in all professions and so is in medical line too.
The aim of the doctor(s) is always to save a patient and not to kill one.There are several ponderables and imponderables which need to be rightly analysed.
Mob violence when ever any patient dies is quite unjustified,while their anger due to the loss of their kin is understandable.
None objects for any wanton lapses of negligence on the part of the doctors.But we cannot palm off all failures only to them,with no suitable enquiry and an objective study of all aspects,inclding the condition of a patient when one is brought to the hospital!!!
There could only be one winner after all.We all should be happy for winning the finals.But let us not forget the fact it was under D/L method due to the curtailed play because of rain.
Ofcourse a win is a win!!!
Neither bulls nor bears can hold it firmly for ever!!!
Any precedent made and any previlege confered once are difficult to be withdrawn friend!!!
You are right friend,but for your last sentence,which stands out only as an assumption.Hope all is well!!!
This will avoid unnecessary confusions and unwarranted redtape,which are the breeding centers of corruption!!!
you are quite right.Precedents become prerogatives.When once confered these are difficult to be withdrawn!!!
Friend,precedents become prerogatives which when once confered would be difficult to withdraw later.We have already been experiencing these since long!!!
Thank you friend.It is good we are maturing ourselves slowly though into a mature democracy.With education and awareness spreading,I am sure things will show up for a beter morrow!!!
MR.Nariman,good investments,the ROIs,higher productivities leading to generation of wealth,balanced taxations,revenue collections with no room for corruption etc,are all a part and parcel of incremental development alround.
No nation can afford to survive on freebies for ever!!!
By the vested interests.This culture is only a notion good for self deception!!!
Not a bad idea friend.But where do we export the other lots of species???
IT does not speak well about our systems to govern ourselves.It is a pity!!!
There is no clarity and a clear direction from the powers that be,specially when it has been spreading across various states.It can not be treated as a mere law and order problem of a state.The centre need to evolve a consistent and coherent policy to tackle this menace!!!
This is a clear indication the road is bumpy!!!
But 8.7% of growth aganist the projected growth of 9% is a pointer that the economy is moving in the right direction,as this short fall is minimal.
With proper implementation of the right monetary and fiscal policies!!!
MR.Nariman,people know that TAXATION is a must for growth and development across the country and in all states.Only the contents and forms may vary friend!!!
The salient features of it are reported to be:-
1.Sc will be requested to clear the project
as requested by DMK.
2.The centre is willing to consider the change
in alaignment,keeping in view the sentiments
of the faith of the majority people.
3.The SC will be requested to give its
clearance in November 2008.
This may be a pointer,because the centre is playing safe and its biding of time,that the elections would be held in all probability,before November 2008!!!
You are right friend.
DON'T you think,that it might be a good idea to send these to the jungles,to boost the tribe of Tigers,which is reported to be dwindling???
It suggested to book the Kingpin for not registering with IMA to practice.
This is a new angle and interesting one!!!
Not a bad idea friend!!!
But what do we do with all those other species,whose survival is still worse???
HI! MR.Nariman,how are you friend.It is my fortune to be amidist you all with all your good wishes.
It has also been reported that this entire drama was stage managed by the congress & NCP,for reasons better known to them and hence the delay to arrest him etc.Any light on this from you!!!
AT CENTRE AND STATES,we cannot term it as an "ADMINISTRATIVE LAXITY"!!!
This may serve the vested interests,but not the interests of the cricket game!!!
Even if the coialition government is formed,at best it would be short lived one.Already the cases aganist MR.Zardari off PPP have been reopened!!!
With neither a clear cut dimension or magnitude.Add to this the POSSIBLE outcome of the ensuing LS polls in INDIA!!!
Ofcourse the scenarios may be changing.He is bound to take the advantage on the stability factor!!!
These reasons could be quite varying in nature from uneconomical land holding,domastic problems,
health problems,health habits,consumerism etc,any one or all leading to heavy idebtedness,leading to high depression,culminating in a suicide.
We have very many cases of suicides even away from the farmers.Unless the cause is known precisely it would be unfair to conclude that fact in general terms,distorting the facts!!!
It is really good that NDTV introduced this topic which calls for the real answers.Let me congratulate them at the outset.
The journalist generally presuposes the owes of the farmer,and his interaction with him goes on expected lines,to make a story out of the limited interview due to constraint of time.
On the other hand,the farmer has to live through the seasons year after year,facing the ordeals and travails through his hard workwhether it shines or rains!!!
These he fails to convey properly in an sequential fashion with in the allotted time slot,for several reasons which are known.At best he would say he is hard pressed to make both ends meet.
If the journalist wants to make a really good coverage to present,one needs to start from the extent of his land holding,the type,the size of the family,the input costs,output remunerations,transport and marketting facilities,besides the loan facilities made available at what point of time and interest rate etc.
The hardships caused by floods and draughts have been the recurring features.
After conducting a sample survey of a few farmers in selected villages,the journalist have to compile the data,formulate the necessary tables,analyse them with checks and counter checks,before making out a final report.
It is doubtful whether the media and the journalists have the requisite patience and time to spend, to highlight the owes of the farmers in an objective manner,instead of a subjective one.
Let us search our hearts to find the real answers!!!
Whether the government considers NAXALISM as yet another democratic political Ideology or an absolute millitant outfit to destroy the democratic and social set up!!!
Despite the fact that this step has been crossed over for restoration of DEMOCRACY,it's future depends on the coming together of the two chief rivals!
We may witness an unstable coailition government there for some time.
Verdict of people is always for or against a party.Do we follow the same question in case of other states.If it be so we might be grooming only dictators.People won't desire such a situation to confront them!!!
India should be proud of its diversity,heritage and culture!!!
The society fabric is made up of different strands.The damaged ones would be removed and replaced naturally!!!
DON'T WE HAVE SOME PRECEDENTS???
Only then we can have a much reduced crime rate!!!
For India produced several of them!!!
This will help the government to assess the public reactions and perceptions!!!
No country could ignore the security concerns of the country,while approving any project of this kind specially!!!
It is some consolation!!!
This only adds to the population explosion and the resultant problems.
These helplines should be made active with wide publicity,by the government,to bring in an awareness among the public,where to go to seek the right advice or counselling in all such situations.
The essential requirement is that these help lines should be managed by the professionals and not by rotine setups.
For all till the student attains the age of 18 years.One undergoes all kinds of emotional stresses for different reasons during this period.Only a psychologist could properly analyse and diagnoise the defeciencies if any and render the necessary counselling case by case.
This in turn would result in developing a healthy society.
It is expected to examine this case from all angles!!!
Friend,Hindutva as said by the SC encompasses all Hindus IRRESPECTIVE OF THE POLITICS,which they indulge in.
Happy to share views with you.You may go through my post above on this subject.None should play oppurtunistic and vote bank politics.
Yet,we know politics have changed from bad to worse!!!
Friend,none is a criminal unless he is sentnsed and sent behind the bars as we all know.How are you dear???
Friends,we have a long way to go to mature ourselves in the democratic processes and systems!!!
EXPEDITIOUSLY.
This will help in ensuring the justice at the earliest!!!
ANY PART OF THE COUNTRY.
SURE THIS NOBLE THOUGHT APPLIES TO ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY,INCLUDING J&K,AS WELL!!!
Do Indians citizens from other states could be called as outsiders?Don't they have the right in any part of INDIA to work and live?The sons of the soil theory is quite unconstitutional and goes aganist the interests of the Nation and its people.All such tendencies have got to be nipped in the bud.
Let the politicians fight for their power,without damaging the Nation's social fabric and its composite culture!!!
Are we living in INDIA? This type of highly irresponsible statements,from whichever quarter they emmanate need to be condemned and stern action taken,lest the country may be heading for bakanisation.This should be nipped in the bud.
Hope all responsible leaders of all political parties,should denounce all such atatements,speches and activities in no uncertain terms,forth with in the interests of the nation and its people!!!
To the extent possible the DPR will be prepared only after a feasibility report(FR) is accepted,
IN PRINCIPLE.
It is not that the DPR is a holy text,for it undergoes a few changes here and there, while in operation,but not totally.
Viewed in the context of this conceptualised project from about 250 years back,with a plethora of reports on this,when the works on this project have been taken up in the recent past few years,one concludes reasonably that all aspects were examined.
Now that the matter is before the Supreme court,waiting for an affidavit from the Centre,only indicates that some where down the line,certain adhoc decisions were taken,warranting the intervention of the SC.
A project of this nature,just cannot be shelved on a single factor,unless the decision is fundamentally wrong.
May be we shall be hearing from the SC shortly!!!
Nice to be back amidst you all,dear friend MR.Nariman.A good day for all of you.
Now reverting to your post,I fully endorse your views on the bad politics practiced, by all,which are oppurtunistic,unethical and immoral,in my opinion.
However,I beg to differ when this is attributed to Hindutva, which is all encompassing and not exclusive to any one segment!
It is time for all INDIANS to pause and ponder and proceed in the right direction,as it once used to be, the becon light for the humanity,and follow the same for all times.
MR.Nariman,BUDDHISM is an extended reformative thought process and Gautam Buddha,has been acclaimed as an Avatar by the Hindus.Is this not a fact of history???
MR.Nariman,can we have any "archeologically supportive facts" in this direction???
MR.gautam,backwardness cannot be attributed to religion alone.It is a culmination of several factors.We even now have different systems of governance in the world.What the people want is a good governance,but not the type!!!
It is left to the people to give their verdict in the next elections for the nonfullfillment of the promises made by the parties!!!
MR.Nariman,going by the texts,every being is a manifestation,which is an AVATARA itself!!!
MR.gautam,the truth is all religions(theists) agree that there lies a supreme force or conciousness governing the universes which is formless,be it"Brahman,Yehova,Allah,Lord,God etc"!!!
This has been a "logical or a revalation" process.
The atheists followed a different path of experimentation and have also come to the same conclusion more or less,that there is a "Unitary Magnetic field" controlling the universes.
Though the means vary the conclusions are similar.This itself is a great convergence!!!
For a LKG student we canot explain the highest physical sciences or even for that matter,most of us who are educated also are unable to think or comprehend the principles.We might have a general view of all,but not in depth!!!
I personally feel,the troubles arise out of our ignorance and arrogance with an egoistic attitude of"I AM ALWAYS RIGHT & CAN NEVER GO WRONG"!!!!
MR.raspri,your post comprises two parts.One relating to caste based reservations and the other to corruption.A very valid point!!!
Friend please tell us whether we have any relevant data about the statewise and castewise % of corruption???
Friend,for an objective discussions,can you please tell us in a chronological order, with their periods,about the evolution of different schools or thoughts/concepts,with regard to "HINDUISM" from its inception!!!
Friend,for an objective discussions,can you please tell us in a chronological order, with their periods,about the evolution of different schools or thoughts/concepts,with regard to "HINDUISM" from its inception!!!
MR.Nariman,at the outset,this is to make clear,that GAUTAM BUDDHA has been accepted and revere/treated as an AVATARA,by all Hindus,which basically nullifies all the historical theories which you quoted!!!
Even then,hatred is aganist the Hindu tenets and texts.At the worst,if they took place they could have come from some perverted madcap!!!
The same could be the case with the Mahant.
Friend,you mentioned rightly/wrongly, some quotes.Are they based on any substantial facts or only surmises???
You may furnish the requsite data on which those conclsions were made.
Similarily,please tell us to which kingdom king"Shashanka" belonged and in which period.
We can come to HUEN TSANG later!!!
What was their "PSYCHE" from times immemorial and how come they developed a 'slavish mentality' over centuries????
Was it due to the fact that althrough they were ruled by "kings,emporers,monarchs,foreigners and feudal lords" forcing the people to fall in line or was it due to the fact that INDIA as we know now has never been a single nation as an entity???
Is it not time to change this mindset at the earliest???
MR.Nariman,I believe vivekananda and your quote too.But you have not answered my questions yet friend!!!
radhikarajen,if we see the topics under "NEWS" itself,we find a list of 189 topics,most of which are obsolate!!!
Some of them I have been seeing for years and continue to be there even now,having lost their utility!!!
friend,when the train with different bogies,moves in different directions it is known as a derialment and mishap.In that case,there is nothing to board,except each one getting on to the shoulders of the other!!!
MR.Nariman,we have quite a few others too!!!
You are right radhikarajen.sans the spirit,be it a body or text will lose their relevance to those who identifies with the body,but not the spirit!!!
Agood point MR.Arun!!!
Of their predecessors, making them to go round the courts,till the next elections arrive on the scene!!!
Protection of their chairs is another cause of worry,which eats into the little time, if available to them!!!
THE CONGRESS thinks it would be a great success for them,only if they could complete the transformation of "communists into capitalists"!!!
MR.rviaykumar,it is more apt to say,because of divisions in our society only,the EIC could rule us!!!
MR.Nariman,if concessions are given to some,some will have to bear the extra burden.This is the sum and substance of managing the economy!!!
FRIEND,YET THIS GOVERNMENT IS FULLY SUPPORTED BY THOSE WHO SAY THAT PEOPLE'S INTERESTS ARE AT THEIR HEARTS!!!
What do secularalists say now on "freedom of expression or artistic freedom"???
Norms should be the same and uniform in all such cases!!!
MR.RAJAYE,None disputed these developments!!!
FROM the list of items on each MB please???
All would love it!!!
MR.Nariman,the quote furnished by you was in a different context,only to prove how ignorant the authors could be!!!
Any way,pease tell us,what were the types and designs of "BUDDHISTIC ARCHITECTURE" as per history!!!
Do our GOVERNMENT/ASI could bring forth to the notice of the public,any evidence of such destruction of BUDDHISTIC structures and rebuilding of the temples???
MR.gautam,the perceptions could differ and views are are aired accordingly.Let us all go with that spirit,in our debates!!!
Agrrements and disagreements are but natural in all debates as we know friend!!!
WHAT WILL HAPPEN,if this is the attitude of law and order establishments and security agencies,whom we blame for their "action and nonaction" on all occassions friend!!
Why should they risk their lives,to protect the useless lot of people,if that is the case???
This is what I also tell friend.Let these castes exist for ever and ever.God bless us all!!!
Friend,we are all fellow travellers to catch the same train.In their anxiety to throw mud,they are stuck with mud neck deep and are sure to miss the train friend!!!
There appears to be no collective responsibility and PM is only a show piece!!!
For he makes no mistakes!!!
All are interested to keep their chairs in tact first.Countries interests come in the last!!!
To reach our destination!!!
They are afraid as it appears to go there,due to militancy and violence,TO CHECK THE FACTS,while they have free to move in GUJARAT!!!
This monster cannot be killed while caste based reservations are in force!!!
Thanks for the correction and sorry for my jumbled up sentence.
What I meant was that the congress ruled for a "majority period" in six decades since independence!!!
THE WORD "hindus"includes whom all MR.RAJAYE and the what precisely the word "HINDU" conveys and is associated with???
MR.Nariman,naturally to congress which ruled the state for almost about six decades after independence in all!!!
MR.Nariman,the fact of the matter is the lunatics have more freedom,in LAs than any one outside of them
The former has the symathy of others,while the later has only to struggle!!!
The word Secular means "not concerned with r eligion"(Nastics),and does not respect any religion!!!
The politicians gave a distorted meaning for the obvious reasons!!!
Then it is time to get them admited in the hospital,for digestive disorders!!!
MR.COMMENTS,YOUR POST IS CONTRADICTORY.Bad guys could exist even in one's families.Is it not???
Hope sane counsels would prevail alround!!!
First be clear whether it is a way of life or a religion,before we go further with the debate!!!
ELABORATION please itemwise,with facts to substantiate!!!
Hinduism is also a way of life even without understanding the principles of Vedas and upanishads!!!
What is that "universal consciousness" in your perception???
Secularalists have started it already there long before!!!
The other three are you,MR.Nariman and agniputra I suppose.
The two is company.With the addition of you three it is a crowd!!!
Doubt whether you could understand the difference!!!
MR.Nariman,facts will not alter because you say it repeatedly.Who all lost the sense of proportion is evident to all here.
Only people who cannot advance the arguements in a decent debate, will indulge in abuses like you,Rajaye and others.
I am ready for your games fair or foul.
you are no authority to accord the certificates to others!!!
MR.gautam,do not expect a straight answer.He goes in circles,beating around the bush!!!
MR.Nariman,please continue your "quantity of work"!!!
NEITHER YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC NOR POST ONE.ALL TRASH!!!
MR.Nariman,you are only upset with my question.I am not agitated at all!!!
The rest of your post is equally a worn out gramaphone record only.How many times you have not mentioned it friend.
How many times did you not call others as fascists earlier and why do you get upset when you are at the receiving end???
I am not inventing ways.I just wanted to pay back in the same coin which often you hurl at others friend!!!
Each one of us have our own styles.Is it
not???
Just a "retaliation" to make you understand that it could be verbal and nonviolent too!!!
Nothing personal friend!!!
MR.Nariman.the question here is whether you can justify the bans after agitations,either partially or fully on "DAVINCICODE OR SATANIC VERSES" which have later proved to be "discriminatory" to favour some religions???
Who takes advantage of it is an "immeterial and irrelevant" question,because,people have set up precedents already to be followed by others!!!
MR.Nariman,the painters or people were more honest and true to their profession,unlike the 21st century modernised people.Our ignorance is a different matter.
Friend,no freedoms are absolute,total and complete,as I said even earlier and had their limitations too, within the frame work of the constitution,which alone, the people could enjoy!!!
Even assuming for arguement's sake as you said that "there are no boundaries",for artists,there are no boundaries for "Lunatics" too!!!
Yes we all agree that violence is bad.But need it be only physical? It could be mental also!!!
MR.Nariman,we would be doing justice with our debate,only when we deal with "violence" as an issue and its realted causes and cures,instead of discuusing these stray incidents.
They are bound to happen every now and then,as intrincically they are intertwained with "human nature" and applicable to any place or race!!!
MR.jay70,who are all the "so called HINDUS"???
Even then,most of them do not understand any thing properly,not to speak of Vivekananda or any other for that matter!!!
But friend what has the food habits got to do with Hinduism which permits all to have their own likes and dislikes,as long as they do not infringe on the rights of other laws of the land!!!
MR.raspri,you should pose the question of "land owning" as mentioned by you, should be rightly addressed to A.P.Government.What is the use of asking gautammehra about it who is in no way concerned???
Now reverting back to the rset of you post,yes all governments/people, since independence failed in the process.
If what you said in your last para is correct,why its followers failed to address it properly right through,till date???
A BEAUTIFUL DISCOVERY!!!
radhikarajen,you are right friend.A good comparison!!!
AAH! The cats are finally outof the bag!!!
Well said MR.Nariman that "those ill acts of BJP are for HINDUS and for promoting HINDUTVA"!!!
At last the "Horse" has spoken through its own mouth.
We all know now who both of them are!!!
Friends,here is a "TORSO" strggling to make some noise.Enjoy the fun!!!
Yet, all parties covering him up at an all party meeting convened byno less a person than by the SPEAKER of LS!!!
Friend this rubbish is known to all of us.There is nothing new to learn now afresh!!!
MR.Nariman,then let us all forget about our country,people and progress etc,and talk only about Arabian nights stories!!!
MR.Nariman,any good government will have to anticipate,visualise and formulate its plans accordingly.
Or else both the government and people will have to look at the skies onlu for ever cursing their fates!!!
Thank you MR.Nariman!!!
MR.Nariman,I do not think the dress you refered has been well preserved for "RAMRAHIM" to wear now.
But let us not forget the fact that we had very good painters which includes potraits in dress,or otherwise, in those periods,not to speak beyond the 15th and 16th centuries!!!
This speaks that they are not just mere assumptions!!!
Friend please eremember,that all freedoms could only be enjoyed within the parameters fixed by the laws/constitution of the land!!!
MR.Nariman,why are you curtailing his "freedom of speech" BY ASKING HIM NOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT "POTA"???
Do you think you alone has the freedom to say all sorts of things and all others should keep quite???
This is no "fascism" I think???
PROVIDED YOU HAVE ONE OR ANY FOR DEBATE!!!
"TOLERANCE" is always mutual and cannot be a onesided affair,in a secular country!!!
MR.Nariman,undoubtedly it is bad yet understandable being branded as a communalists.
But what is un-understandable is, when the "secularist parties,more so the communists" supporting these caste based reservations,which are unique for a community alone, known as HINDUS only!!!
If you say it is for political reasons,better we rest all arguements on caste based reservations!!!
MR.Nariman,who cares whether X wins or Y loses in politics,as long as the people's living conditions remain the same,as we have seen for the last sixty years!!!
In all parties across the country to change its face and pace!!!
MR.Nariman,how could it be possible,when we educated people are all here???
Stands duly answered on the other MB friend.No need to post the same message on every board!!!
Because,it is a "MODERN CIVILIZATION" in every aspect!!!
Yet to see an arguement in the debates from you.Best of luck!!!
MR.bonku,you may be right with practices but not with precepts and concepts!!!
MR.rebel,without intellectual imagination(hypothesis),logical analysis or experimentation ,we would not have progressed this far friend!!!
MR.FEDERER,surprising you did not answer my respose to your post.You may also see my response to MR.gautammehra too before you make your response if any.
Friend,leaving the topic behind you have seen how it goes tangential which in no way connected to the topic as it slides!!!
MR.gautam,the word "Fanatic" means, that one who is devoted to a strong belief,or activity or excessively enthusiastic,which are "positive traits" only.
Viewed from this perspective,the "world is full of them",and this does not mean all of them are necessarily "agressive and violent"!!!
This only speaks of a committment and devotion and nothing else.
Trust this fully clarifies and removes any misconceptions friend!!!
MR.rebel,the concept of GOD OR GODESSES itself is hypothetical and hence imaginary,logically though!!!
MR.Nariman,"expressions" cover a very wide range,from which some are acceptable and some are not acceptable to the laws of the land or society.
So when we say "freedom of expresion"it has to be well within the parameters fixed, and not absolute!!!
Trust this clarifies fully friend!!!
MR.Nariman,who belongs to any party here?Which is that hate family which you have refered and what is your concept of a family?
MR.Gautam,thank you for your well balanced and highly appreciative post!!!
MR.gautam,some like a cocktail of "classes,castes and religions".It takes one to cloud nine to enjoy!!!
MR.gautam,all have the equal rights to air their views.Do not get upset with occasional emotional outbursts friend.
We hae people here from all walks of life.You may continue cheerfully,with what you want to say!!!
Has lost its relevance.Better we switch over to a new one friend!!!
MR.Nariman,all want the power to rule and swindle money only with out exception.This is my consistent view,born by facts!!!
Or else how could any one finance their heavy election expenses running into crores, friend!!!
MR.Nariman,your comments irrespective of the parties, applies to all,including you I suppose!!!
Hence returned with compliments friend!!!
MR.Nariman,did I say that BJP/RSS won?I only said and captioned my topic as "HINDUTVA AGENDA FINALLY WON IN U.P"!!!
I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH THE SUCCESS OR FAILURES OF BJP/RSS!!!
MR.RAJAYE AND MR.Nariman,first,better both of you sort out the "confusions" between you both!!!
MR.rebel,He never spoke about "annhilation of castes" any where, in his post and why are you passing on the credit to him???
MR.rebel,there is not much of a change in that position even now!!!
MR.rebel,with such heavy handicaps, BJP cannot run or for that matter any one friend!!!
MR.Nariman,this same post of yours on the Business MB vide the last item,stands duly answered by me.Please go through friend!!!
Friend,may be the curiosity to go through the history!!!
MR.Nariman,did communal harmony exist prior to this?
Agree with your first line fully!!!
MR.rebel,I will appreciate very much if you can explain meaning of a "HINDU"!!!
PREPARE, TO ENJOY ITS CONSEQUENCES TOO,for nothing comes free in this world!!!
MR.Federer,yes,you are right in that Hinduism is a way of life and fanaticism is a part!!!
Who said that Hinduism is a religion in the first instance.If so who was its founder and founded when friend???
Yes some fanatics exist in all societies at all times.This does not mean all people are fanatics.
Can you tell us what is a "national spirit"and into which catogery it falls???
MR.Nariman & MR.RAJAYE,The beauty of "HINDUTVA" is,people could think,say or do things with absolute freedom at all times,UNLIKE OTHERS.
HINDUTVA is a ocean of love but not hatred.Do not link the dirty politics to it!!!
This includes both "astics and nastics" not to speak of others.
Friends I dare you to speak in the same manner about others openly and enjoy the music for yourselves!!!
Let us all hope that this would arrest the unhealthy trends presently followed and usher in new trends in investigations as expected from the state police!!!
MR.Nariman,do you mean to say all others are spreading love for BJP.They are spewing more hatred and venom on BJP.Love or hatred are reciprocal!!!
As we concluded several times none is an angel and a holy cow friend!!!
you are absolutely right friend!!!
friend,when we become a part of the ocean of humanity,these artificial barriers vanish,and no worries will haunt us!!!
radhikarajen,as usual it is a mix up of religions with tarditions even after conversions.Any way may god bless the couple.
But,it is unfortunate that most of the people would like to make a KICHIDI of sorts,while discussing on a point or topic,by mixing up of
"religions,castes,politics,economics,governance,
history ,geography etc" in the same breath, and go tangentially,instead of staying focussed,as you might have also observed!!!
I have read the history.Living matters little,when we do not know what for we are living!!!
Regarding the teleserial CHANAKYA,NO WHERE IT POINTS TO A "FREE SOCIETY" friend!!!
Dear friend,read my response once again to understand to whom the finger is pointed.
We both hail and live in the same world!!!
APPRECIATED THE FIRST PART MR.Nariman.But your second part deflects the emphasis from the perpetrators of 'double standards'to the people who question it,by branding them as fundamentalists.
This is not correct friend,for the very purpose of your post is defeated!!!
A good administrator could not afford to be impulsive basically friend!!!
It is good as and when it happens!!!
THEIR MAIN CONCEPTS AND OBJECTIVES,away from the dust and din of political games.
In my opinion,both these are meant for the "peace,prosperity,welfare and harmony" of the people and society at large.There is no divergence in this basic philosophy.
Any "ideology" arises only on the 'means' to attain them and all politics revolve around this,to "capture the power over the means".
The power is absolute and the means are limited in meeting the "expectations and aspirations of the people" at all times.
This results in strife,to have a share in the cake and the rest follows unfortunate though.
The question is,when there is convergence both on concepts and objectives,why not on the means too,to bring down the strifes collectively,than enlarging them???
This was what I meant radhikarajen,for the Hindutva agenda has been to unite than divide the people,leading the society towards "Harmony".
The reality is there for all to see friend!!!
MR.Narman,the Hindutva agenda is not confined to only these two issues,which they put on the back burner long back.
Its main plank is to unite Indians specially Hindus who are quite a divided lot,and they largely succeeded,as could be seen!!!
If this could relieve you from tensions,and keep you happy,then the post served its purpose!!!
Welcome!
MR.Nariman,how is it possible when SC has been siezed of the matter???It is a ridiculous proposition friend!!!
In our anxiety to malign always some one,Let us not allow our wild imaginations to fly high friend!!!
Sorry,I did address you wrongly as MR.Nariman,MR.Naradmuni.
My apologies to MR.Nariman as well for this lapse, because both your names start with "Nar"!!!
friend,why don't you go and tell the same to other protestors and agitationists?Did you raise your voice then?Why these "double standards" friend???
A relevant question friend???
MR.Iamtrue,your challenge remains unanswered!!!
Friend,first be clear what precisely is "hinduism" and tell us what it is!!!
Friend,let there be uniform guide lines for appointment of all VCs!!!
friend,all freedoms are the exclusive rights of some previleged few only!!!
radhikarajen,where objectivity and impartiality become casualities,perversity reigns!!!
Friend,it augurs well that people are have more awareness and analytical,in exposing the "double standards" which cause more harm to the society!!!
MR.guru68,you are absolutely right friend!!!
The first challenge she met on"priority" was to suspend "three officers who neglected the PARK, and transfer about a hundred OTHER OFFICIALS" ON THE SAME DAY AFTER HER SWEARING IN!!!
And the people will have a free entertainment!!!
To stand up to fight the ills of their society.
It is clear that their patience is infinite!!!
friends,as long as we discuss only people and not the issues,nothing would change,no matter who is in or out of power!!!
Friend,still she has a long way to go to match and out beat IG as a politician!!!
Friend,the castes and communities are here to stay and cannot be wished away!!!
MR.Nariman,why to post the same message thrice friend???
Friend,we had strong governments with good majorities and srong opposition too earlier.But the development still suffered!!!
It is a good wish list friend!!!
This much was evident when "books,pantings,music,songs,theatres and cinemas" were banned,by the respective goverments, under the pressures of "communalists"of all hues!!!
All such protests and agitations should not be on a selective and elective basis,due to "double standards".People demand that the uniform norms are applied as a matter of rule!!!
MR.Nariman,do not overlook the fact IN ALL PROBABILITY, that its change of strategy of the party midway,as hinted at by MR.RAJNATHSINGH,president of BJP, has culminated in placing the BSP in position,to defeat the common enemies!!!
This reality dawns,on a cool analysis!!!
MR.Nariman,I am not sure whether any realization has set in all for the sake of national interests.
Friend India was divided from day one of our independence and continues to go down the sloppy path.No wonder this division reaches upto panchayat level ultimately,much to our chargin!!!
MR.Nariman,none shed tears when several systems parties and individuals, failed in history!!!
None need shed if what you envisage comes true too!!!
The events move on whether one likes them or not!!!
By joining hands with those very communal forces and Manuvadis,whom she has been crtisisng all the while.
She did not check any communal forces and instead she embrased them!!!
Who knows that this emerging set up, may augur well in future!!!
MR.Nariman,about these much needed electral reforms,we covered the ground on and off.
Let us not forget the fact, that only a single vote mattered,bringing down the NDA government once,unmindful of the fact whether that single vote cast was "legal or illegal"!!!
Any way as I said nothing could be taken for granted in politics and things do happen friend!!!
Victory.It is only a caution not to go overboard!!!
MR.salemsrini,going by the texts,Buddhism started even much earlier before,Gautam Buddha,who came to be known as "Historical Buddha"!!!
This is just for information friend!!!
Friend,the list could be enlarged further.After all name should not matter!!!
Friend,if she could usher in BUDDHISM in U.P,the whole of India, nay the entire world welcomes it friend!!!
SOURCE IS SAME,BUT THE PATHS MAY BE DIFFERENT FRIEND!!!
MR.salemsrini,going by the texts,Buddhism started even much earlier before,Gautam Buddha,who came to be known as "Historical Buddha"!!!
This is just for information friend!!!
You are right friend!!!
MR,Nariman,i was about to pose the same question.It is good you did it!!!
The party has been divided vertically into two camps and it paid the price finally.None need to shed any tears.It reminds one of the story of "JARASANDHA" in the epic "Maha Bharat"!!!
MR.Nariman,did I ever uphold this???
My post above emphasises the same point,if only you care to obseve analytically,instaed of rushing to conclude friend!!!
MR.federer,SINCE THE POLITICS HAVE BEEN COMMERCIALISED,all would like to take up this profession,with a heriditory advantage!!!
MR.Nariman,my post relates to the whole,in which the two catogeries which you mentioned also have been inclded!!!
Is it not very transperent friend???
MR.Nariman,without "confusion" no politics exist any where,since all the politicians thrive on it!!!
Neither they have any clarity or conviction even!!!
Neither those who speak in favour nor those people who oppse it, undestand the true philosophy of HINDUTVA!!!
It is the prerogative of all parties and independent candidates to choose their own symbols.
Friend on your own logic,why cannot congress change its "flag" which resembles the national flag with its "tricolour" and so are the others???
WHO faught the elections on "ideology" basis ever in INDIA friend???
We see thw worst caste based poltics every where and more so in TN friend.Can you deny this???
This is the unambiguous reality.The worst hit are sycophants!!!
It is a different matter that the Media and politicians will project it in a twisted and distorted manner as usual!!!
Any way,it is good in the end, that the people of U.P. are fortunate to get rid of the trend of coailition goverments!!!
MR.Nariman,sailing with and supporting dishonest politicians is no honesty!!!
MR.Nariman,there is a difference between a "conviction,imprisonment,charge and allegation".Hope you would understand it being a sensible man!!!
I find none.Can you bring out that museum piece,if you know, for the benifit of others!!!
radhikaraje,some of our friends are silent or go on softpedalling where others are concerned, while they go full blast only after BJP.
This will do a lot of good!!!
MR.Nariman,you are right.But who bells the cat.Government or LS speaker???
Friend,when people themselves are entrusted with this responsibility,"Fake encounters disappear and the real encounters appear"!!!
Is it not self evident who is burning with jealousy. Do not try to judge OTHERS by your standards!!!
Still I love you dear and have a high tolerance.BTW!!!
-ENCOUNTERS",when people have no faith in the system.
This would be a simple solution to the problem!!!
Friend,your vew point is highly appreciated.It relates to a good governance.But the powers that be will never allow it to happen,for the obvious reasons!!!
Any one friend.Depends on how one perceives it,what a community is!!!
MR.RAJAYE,No response even after two days!!! It only shows,who is talking GIBRISH here. Continue. Wish you all the best!!!
Because each one hates the other group.!!!
MR.RAJAYE,It is quite interesting to read your biography and know you are a great scholar.We all wish you all the best in your life friend.BTW!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Please show me one post of mine,wherein I supported MR.KATARA or for that matter any criminal!!!
MR.RAJAYE,there is nothing personal on this MB FOR WE DO NOT KNOW EACH OTHER!!!
It is only an exchange of views and opinions between the members.
Friend "self aggrandisement and self pity" are not the desirable factors or attitudes for any one.BTW!!!!
Thank you radhikarajen.Well said friend.!!!
Friend,if you prove your allegation,I would quit the MB.If not,are you prepared to do the same???
radhikarajen media feels it is all powerful and not accountable to any one,except may be their masters!!!
Friend,the answers lie in your questions!!!
TO rout it every where.Only then people would understand better the value of their vote!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Who is stopping the concerned to go to the bottom of this scam.
I refered only to my earlier post friend.No reason for you to work up yourself!!!
MR.Nariman,this post of yours is fully filled with love and void of hatred,I suppose.Great friend!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Please show me one post of mine supporting MR.KATARA or any criminal for that matter.
Friend decency forbids me to personalise things and call names.Any way thanks,for your excellent understanding abilities!!!
These are all your wrong inferences and there is nothing I can do!!!
MR.RAJAYE,My initial reaction in this connection as to "WHY THE LS SPEAKER CALLED FOR AN ALL PARTY MEETING ON THIS AFFAIR" has been posted earlier on the MB!!!
There goes a longer tale!!!!
The answer one gets is a big NO!!!
This is mainly due to sycophancy and political divisions among the "executive" front,which is supposed to stand up and act impartially!!!
What is this strange logic friend?
The comparisons will not help.All such acts are highly condemnable and punishable,irrespective of parties involved!!!
MR.Iamtrue,blissfully,he is not the home minister of the state.Now that it is clear,it is a much bigger pass port racket,involving MPs & MLAs from all other states as well,The centre needs to institute a CBI enquiry immidietly!!!
MR.Nariman,thank you for your agreement,which is what I have been trying to drive home on the MB!!!
IF WE WANT TO RAISE A NEW BUILDING INVARIABLY WE HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE OLD ONE!!!
Let the people watch,to which calss their elected representatives belong and whose interests they are taking care of!!!
very true friend!!!
TO form the governments on their own,instead of going through either prepoll or post poll alliances with unlike partners,which adds to the miseries of the people!!!
Why confidential.It should be made public for the people to understand better and vote accordinly!!!
friend,this stands duly answered by me on the other board.
Any way we agreed earlier several times,that all parties are "oppurtunists" only without exception.Is it not???
MR.Nariman,I happened to answer this question on the other board just now.Please go through friend!!!
radhikaraje,you said it friend.quite right.It is a sorry state of affairs,after the so called elections,the manipulations start where people have no say,in these formulations.
Yet the manipulators who brokers a majority, call it as "people's mandate"!!!
This mandate is understandable to a great extent, if it is a "pre poll affair" but not as a post poll affair!!!
Is it only political "oppurtunism" or any thing else???
Having joined their forces,what is this talk of a "Third front on and off"???
MR.RAJAYE,What I say is the links are much deeper and should be exposed and the whole bunch of culprits should be brought to book and awarded the extreme punishments under the law!!!
MR.Nariman,the name in the second line should be read as MR.RMaran!!!
Dear MR.RAJAYE,Probably he answered your first line of the topic posted by you, as it seems!!!
MR.RAJAYE,IT does not require any effort to understand that the criminals and killers do not need supports,in their indulgence.
This supports would come later,depending on the links,as and when they are caught!!!
MR.Lalitjha,most of our educated people are accustomed to see through the westren eyes and think the stuff dished out by them is the original and factual in all acses!!!
For they happened to be breeding centres of corruption.
They are being elected to render selfless service to the people,but not to service themselves!!!
TRUE FRIEND.All are possible!!!
friend,sure they are focusing on their development!!!
MR.RAJAYE,why to post the same message on different boards friend???
MR.Nariman,who founded the HINDU and HINDUISM religion and when as aper you?
Wonder why MR.Nariman has not answered this question too!!!
MR.lavarajkumar,all countries have laws,not necessarily being democratic!!!
MR.Nariman,atleast the Gujarat government has complied with the directions,unlike the uncivilised reactions from others in the OBC verdict friend!!!
Pass on this discredit too where it is due!!!
MR.RMaran,as we all know that the "caste system" is integral with "Hinduism"which in your opinion is a religion,and all those who support it are communal.Fine.
But please tell us honestly,when all the parties supporting the caste based reservations, without exception,would it not amount to supporting the "communalists",specially when some want, it should be extended to castes of other religions,when no other religion has a caste system???
What is this paradox and contradiction friend???
MR.Nariman,if we are destroyed who will be the benificiary???
MR.RAJAYE,What is "Hindutva movement"???
My dear firend MR.RAJAYE,how come aggression and peace coexist???
MR.RMaran,according to you what do the words "HINDU,HINDUISM AND HINDUTVA" mean friend???
In INDIA,Whose main "concept" being the well being of all!!!
MR.RAJAYE,for your kind information all "ISMs" are cenralised only!!!
How are you sure,for, all exit polls predicted a hung assembly???
Provided most of them have one!!!
All presumptions are possible in political formulations!!!
Every thing is fair, in love and war(elections)!!!
Mayavati wants to change the Manuvadi system into "Mayawadi" system.After all what is there in a name!!!
It was BSP which offered about 130 seats to brahmins to contest on its ticket!!!
Why not the self interests and caste factors friend???
Keeping BJP out of power will be the single point CMP,which suits all others!!!
If this is the condition with merited people,well imagine what would be the condition with all unmerited people!!!
MR.Iamtrue,this is what happens when self interests take prcedence over the people's or nation's interests!!!
MR.RAJAYE,both have alsmost faded in INDIA(HINDUSTAN) from the minds of the people friend!!!
friend,the modern science and technology have introduced even "one legged kursis".
We are sailing through 21st century!!!
Dear rubynaushad,it is good the gujarat police have arrested three of its senior police officers,after the probes,by their CID!!!
It should contain statewise details for the last 20 years, with regard to:-
1.How many took place as reported yearwise.
2.How many were proved as genuine and
what are the punishments given.
3.How many security/police personnel and
militants were killed/injured
4.How were their families rehabilitated.
This information would educate the peple better as to the gravity of the situation with which the country is confronted with!!!
JOIN THE THIRD OR FOURTH FRONT,to find out what you would look to be!!!
MR.RAJAYE,then why our country is being called as INDIA instead of HINDUSTAN and why are the people called as INDIANS instead of HINDUSTANIS???
MR.RAJAYE,It is fine.But friend,what is the difference between "Hindustans & Indians"???
If it is ensured,politicians know fully well that their days are numbered with enlightenment and empowerment of people!!!
This slogan of quotas is used only to lull the people,by those who wants to thrive at the cost of the people!!!
we call it social justice,when the people have the same oppurtunities,to grow in all fields in an healthy environment!!!
Since the governments failed to provide them even after 60 years of our independence,we are speaking about the
MR.Nariman,all sorts of crimes and conspiracies happen in darknessand behind the scenes,in any regime,except those which are impulsive in nature.
All are "honourable" till they are caught with their pants down,friend!!!
MR.Nariman,still in both the cases,you need investigation,filing of chargesheets,trials in courts up and down,and one cannot do any thing till the final verdict is given.
Friend,we all know even where we have the final verdict from SC,we are unable to implement it.
Friend,you are speaking about an event,and I am trying to explain the judicial process,which prevents an instant justice!!!
This is all the difference in our approches,the problem being the same!!!
friends,who is wearing those sarees now???
From this we all can understand the "craze" for sarees!!!
This is on the lighter vein to relieve the tensions and no offence meant friends!!!
MR.Nariman,any one adopting the double standards is only a HYPOCRITE!!!
Friend,this appears so in arhuements due to affinity problems.But as we can see we all stand for "good governance".
Let us all be happy that there is no divergence on this fundamental point!!!
MR.Iamtrue,please see my response to our friend MR.Nariman,which applies to your question too!!!
We all agree on the basics!!!
Dear friend MR.RAJAYE,you are right!!!
Yes I do.But what is un-understandable is why this govt,has not been dismissed following the SC verdict!!!
Any reasons in not acting friend!!!
mr.Nariman,you are absolutely right.
My only request is not to do it selectively and with relative comparisons,when all are sailing in the same boat friend!!!
MR.Nariman,if what you say is correct,what is the fun,in asking the NDA/UPA,leader to prove his majority on the floor of the house by the PRESIDENT,within a stipulated time set by him???
MR.saisrini,except Vivekananda,the other four personalities you mentioned,do not fit into the the word "HINDU",for they relate to different religions!!!
However your creative concept is very much appreciated friend!!!
MR.Nariman,yet Mulayam's SP was the largest single party,which was given the first oppurtunity to form the government and prove the majority,on the floor of the house,going by the convention and precedents as well,which it did.
MR.Nariman,your one sided and prejudicial views,lack conviction!!!
How do we expect it to be a HOLY COW,when it carries all the stink of the society!!!
MR.Iamtrue,though we all know the game,it should not mean,we support the corruption/commercialisation of politics and elections,taking sides.
People should persist with their campaign to bring in the much "needed reforms",to throw these evil practices!!!
MR.RAJAYE,In all such cases punishment should be awarded,by setting up "speed courts" all over the country.
The expenditure part should be debited to the A/C of the concerned panchayats/zps/municipalities,where from the dispute arose.These costs could be collected later fully,from the party who looses!!!
This could be the best way of ensuring speedy justice,for justice delayed is justice denied!!!
These are some suggestions for consideration by all those that matter!!!
MR.Nariman,corruption is an evil and should be tackeled,in its entirity.Let the people rise as one to fight it out from all fields of our lives.
What is the use of drawing charts of comparison friend!!!
This will not lead us any where!!!
MR.Nariman,what is wrong with that? this convention is followed by all and ask the leader to prove the majority on the floor of the house,in line with the past court judgements!!!
This is how both NDA & UPA formed the governments at the centre too.Is it not???
MR.Nariman,MR.RAJAYE is addressing all INDIAN citizens(Known as Hindus in the past),excluding none and including all.
Let us take it in the right spirit friend!!!
You are right MR.Arun.Nothing useful would come out of such negative reporting except hatred!!!
The media often reports only the effect leaving the cause behind unfortunately,may be to serve their interests!!!
FRIEND,We can only have one of them at the cost of the other!!!
MR.Nariman,does this mean,that people could "indulge in high corruption and all sorts of crimes" till they are caught with pants down???
MR.RMaran,the congress started "TO PLAY ON THE AYODHYA"issue for political gains,which was later hijacked by BJP.
Friend can you deny this.Hope to get an honest reply from you!!!
They all deserve it.But friend why the double standards???
MR.Nariman,your sairical post is appreciated.But friend,BJP is doing a great service to the nation,even then.Is it not???
MR.Nariman,what is it you precisely wanted to convey?
MR.Nariman,DID I OBJECT??
The fact of the matter is "Muslim league exists" and extends its support both at the state and central levels!!!
So are others friend!!!
They are not above the laws and their freedom is not absolute!!!
MR.RMaran,firstly,BJP is not a religion.It is a political party just like any other.All political parties thrive mostly on the borrowed
concepts/precepts,irrespective of the sources.
Secondly,friend it is clear from my post that the "religious objectives" are different from the
"political objectives".The only common factor in both the cases are the people who are involved.
This aspect of involvement, leads to their "convergences and divergences" depending upon the perceptions of the people,in any given situation!!!
May be social justice is found in hell!!!
A sensible suggestion!!!
True!!!
"TALENT" our politicians have it aplenty,that serves the country for generations!!!
The caste system is a deep rooted cancer and we know the result.
Friend,if you take any government application,it has columns of "religion and caste" invariably to be filled in.
If this is the case how can any one forget his affinity,when one is reminded constantly about it???
NO wonder and the day may not be far off!!!
Friend we have only few honest citizens!!!
Friend,but no government is able to understand this basic point!!!
MR.raspri,no two minds are equal!!!
MR.saisrini,such foolish games may provide them with short term gains,but in the long run would ruin the society.
It is high time for people to wake up early and act upon to curb these tendencies!!!
MR.Iamtrue,Hindutva as a way of life continues to flow,unmindful of the things which it carries!!!
MR.RMaran,in other words,it is obvious that "religious precepts/concepts unite,while those of politics divide"!!!
To motivate and lead the people,one needs a common objective in any field friend!!!
You are right friend!!!
The infant democracy of ours is slowly maturing!!!
radhikarajen,all political parties,be it national or regional want to survive only on divisive issues,forgetting the survival of the nation and its people.
This in turn led to "oppurtuistic politics",for power at any cost.
In this process, the principles of providing an honest and good governance for the betterment of the people,have become the casualities.!!!
MR.rebel,a good quote from an "idealist"!!!
MR.rebel,should it matter as long as we prefer to remain where we are???
Friend,democratic principle demands to honour the majority.
The rest of your post is "irrelevant"!!!
MR.Nariman,I thought you would be unbiased and I was wrong.
Well,we all can have our own perceptions and there is nothing wrong.
But to play the same wornout audio or visual, endlessly,are both jarring and boring!!!
Friend,when did BJP discord its "hindutva agenda" friend,to return to it???
Then hang them if you can!!!
MR.Nariman,this is how the provocative statements come from for just propaganda purposes!!!
To have strong money,mustle or political power is "no offence" by itself and there are so many in the world who possess them!!!
When "culprits" are booked none objects friend!!!!
FRIENDS THERE ARE IDENTIFIED GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO LOOK INTO ALL SUCH VIOLATIONS AND CRIMES!!!
This is just a meaningless talk,to malign one or the other,with no supporting data,which serves no purpose,except indulging in "Gobelasian propaganda"!!!
A good counter question.
MR.Nariman,whose silence you are speaking about..
.."ED'S",which should look into these aspects.
The people have a right to file a PIL in HC/SC.Why were they silent???
It applies for all MR.Nariman and in all situations.
Friend we can have differing opinions but not persisting prejudices in judging one!!!
friend,all parties profess the same liberalised economic policies in several countries,inclding RUSSIA AND CHINA.
This is no pledging MR.Nariman!!!
All governments take decisions based on the facts of a prevailing situation.
The current ongoing drama on OBC reservations is one such case,right or wrong!!!
MR.Nariman,did I use the term "appeasement"any where in my post???
Friend why are you tring put words in my mouth???
This is most unfair friend!!!
MR.Nariman "promising the moon is different from complying with the promice"!!!
Policies when translated into actions only would be appreciated by all,not when they are announced "N" number of times,through the blaring "Loud speakers" without any result.
At best they may only cause high "noise pollution" friend!!!
MR.Nariman,IT dept is taking care of all those matters,specially with UPA at the helm!!!
Under the circumstances,none could call it a scandal!!!
But friend,why this provocative post now???
Friend "if you have any facts",you can pass them on to the concerned quarters for their prompt action!!!
If not, you stand exposed fully!!!
MR.Nariman,it is the same position in all countries mostly,specially in the "under developed" ones!!!
Needs no further comments!!!
radhikarajen,with the result,that all can take pride that INDIA got rid of caste system.!!!
It is an excellent approch!!!
SHOULD IT MATTER,WHEN ONE IS IN THE CONFINES FRIEND???
MR.Nariman,sorry to say that this is what happens,when one is colour blind!!!
MR.Nariman,is it not the same case with all other political aprties.
If,they could have remembered the plight of all unfortunate sections,all through,our country would have progressed much faster by now.!!!
So friend there is nothing to glorify one or condemn the other as they belong to the same class.!!!
Friend,words fail him!!!
No politician can comes any where near to him even to compare friend!!!
Correct.But the unfortunate part starts as they grow,willing to be fully conditioned,by a faith,dogma or self interests friend!!!
Yet,You do not want the castes to disappear???
Sounds funny friend!!!
MR.Naradmuni,we Indians, as most honest people submit our IT returns and hence have no fears,for your golden bricks should have been duly accounted for.
Given the oppurtunity,the opponents of the people whom you listed,would not waste even a single second,to book them as culprits!!!
Well said friend.
MR.Nariman.it is just like asking a child,"IS YOUR FATHER AT HOME" or asking" is your mother's husband at home"!!!
None need a certificate from the other,in the present day context.It is a free for all game friend.None is a holy angel!!!
But the trouble arises only one thinks only (s)/he is an angel,and all others are devils!!!BTW!!!
friend,it could be within the same system or with a different system!!!
MR.Nariman,a good question friend.
When it is said a way of life,this only pertains to a desirable characterstic to be aimed at with absolute freedom,to follow one's own life.
This does not say,all are angels or devils.Human nature being what it is,mostly it follows the NEWTONS Law,that each and every action has its equal and opposite reaction!!!
Friend we know pretty well,socialogy apart,equality does not exist any where.
This is where and how the "humanity" started getting divided,with varied cults,faiths,theories and what not.
The principle is same for this divisive nature,from which the disagreements and conflicts arose friend!!!
MR.Nariman,the topic relates to "recent communal out breaks" not of future friend!!!
When "X" speaks it is communal and when "y" speaks on the same topic it is not communal.We call it as "opposing communalism"
Only the voice differs friend,the content being the same!!!
Unless we come out of these double standards application,things would remain the same!!!
MR.agniputra,would very much like to know,as to who is promoting this "much talked about MANUWADI system" FRIEND.
IF ONLY YOU CARE TO KNOW THE RECENT CONCLAVE OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES,convened by the PM himself,would prove who are all the real culprits.
Wish MR.P'ROY should have attended it as a special invitee,that enables him to run a serial on his channel!!!
would be counting the currency notes to strike a balance sheet!!!
MR.Nariman,your title is quite true.But what is your precise compliant friend,despite the friendly actions taken in F/O muslims during BJP's tenure???
They only performed,while all others have been paying them just lip sympathies,all through,going by your own admissions!!!
difficult for one gets framed up!!!
you can formulate it and christein it too friend!!!
radhikarajen,let us see what the next five rounds would throw up in U.P elections!!!
The final round of manipulations would start only after that,relegating these elections to the backgound!!!
MR.Rao,the society wants it that way only.Do not worry friend,we have already reached the 70% in reservations.
Very shortly we will make all out efforts to make it 100% on priority friend!!!
friend,that is what all political parties want to consolidate their interests!!!
A full cycle of all the four yugas friend!!!
A welcome shower friend!!!
But our society is both deaf and blind to enjoy it unfortunately!!!
Why not???
It is unfair friend.Best thing is to place them in all urban centers,specially in all corporate hospitals,where they could serve the ultimate cause of the humanity!!!
friend,this is a far cry in the jungles!!!
Friend your observation of the 'drop outs' is absolutely true,and the government should appoint a commission to come up with an analytical data,"castewise,sectwise,subsectwise,religionwise,regionwise,languagewise and genderwise etc" with its proper recommendations,for study by GOMs before it comes before parliament for due deliberations/discussions,to enact a suitable law,which would come up before the judiciary,for its final disposal,after going through several channels!!!
Sure you should be bewildered about the lengthy process,but that is the reality friend!!!
By now you should have understood why there are so many drop outs,whose count we do not even know,leave alone the reasons for it!!!
Friend we may have to wait for the good day for the right mindset people in all the four pillars of democracy!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Wish they could easily garner the support of another 25-30 MPs,to constitute a single largest party,which would enable them to form the government at the centre,with inside and outside support!!!
No entry for others into reserved compartments please!!!
Friend,from what is said,either it has never been the intention of GOD,lest he might be bored,or simply GOD does not exist!!!
FRIEND 'POWER' IS THE ONLY GOAL OF EVERY POLITICIAN!!!
friend all say the hatred is bad pointing a fingure at others.
We all talk/preach and never practice it mostly!!!
Friend,if I remember right the SC gave a verdict on the "Hindutva" which relates to a culture and way of life and nothing to do with a religion.
BJP is trying to preserve it while others oppose it,may be due to an alien cultural invasion.
In other words it means that the former is traditional and conservative,while the later is ultra modern.
Fashions frequently change in a cycle friend!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Which recent outbreaks of communal violence are you refering to friend???
MR.Billy,when all parties are miserable failures,it is time to start and experiment with a new outfit!!!
My congrats for your endless optimism MR.lalitjha.
You are right when you say that the developmental issues should be talked about.
But all this you would find in election manifestos of political parties only, with sveral IFs and Buts.
They might not have been seen and under stood even by their leaders,not to speak of their followers and public at large!!!
A simple mathematical solution friend,on the finger tips of every politician!!!
Friend,all politicians have been showing it since independence!!!
radhikarajen,one's own living is of paramount concern for one and all other things are secondary!!!
True friend.This is the same case with all political paries,as seen from the concensus arrived after the recent meeting convened by PM!!!
Friend,education is different from culture,The environment has a bearing on both.It is not that all educated people have broad minds.
It could happen the otherway round as you mentioned in your list rigtly!!!
MR.salemsrini,to keep people ignorant is their job to fortify their positions.
It is for people to come out of this darkness!!!
We will only teach or prech.
WE DO NOT NEED ANY FURTHER LEARNING,AS WE ARE SATURATED!!!
It is there for all to see and experience. Needs no further comments!!!
Friend,this is the same case every where.It is not save the agricultural land,but to have hefty compensation package.Give it then all is would be well!!!
Friend,the former was a "speculation" by all and sundry and the later was a "fact" which came out after the CBI investigation!!!
We are going to have several "Nandigrams" every where in future friend!!!
WHICH WAS NOT THE CASE EARLIER!!!!
quite right friend!!!
MR.sameer,all rulers divide the society both horizantally and vertically,to perpetuate their rule!!!
We the people have to come out of this dynastic rule concept and mind set of sycophancy!!!
MR.mukesh,history tells us,people led a golden life during that time friend!!!
Friend,when they do not know how to do it,how can they talk about it???
Worry not friend! Government hospitals will take care certainly!!!
MAY benifit the party,due to a backlash!!!
You would be the first person to congratulate me as and when it takes place,and that previlege is reserved for you friend!!!
All is fair in love and politics!!!
friend,who decides this during the encounter and how???
radhikarajen,your last sentence tells it all friend!!!
These politicians show up off and on, only to prove that they could face the "arc lights",to satisfy their bloated egos!!!
MR.saisrini,peace in absolute term never existed in this world and not even in our homes for that matter!!!
It is a reality friend!!!
You are right friend.All humans have the same blood as classified!!!
Friend,each country has its laws and lessons.We should always live in the present,but not in the past and so be the case with future.
This is a "reverse march" in time scale!!!
you are absolutely right friend!!!
friend,laws are always tougher/stronger when implemented!!!
We do not lack them friend!!!
friend,you mean that this is a ready mix fast food to be served!!!
MR.Nariman,you are right friend.But this "distributive growth" has to reckon with essentially two main factors:
1.The fact that all can not contribute in the same manner,the oppurtunities extended being the same.
2.The society/government should develop more revenues and reserves for the welfare measures and other related developmental programmes,to cover such handicapped sections,and still motivate them to achieve some thing or the other,in line with their tastes!!!
To accomplish this,the society/government need to heavily reduce their overheads and divert the same to all such productive
programmes!!!
Last but not the least,thre should be no room to encourage laziness or sustenence on subsidies,though there could be some cases,to consider on humane grounds!!!
MR.Nariman,my earlier post was wrongly addressed,I suppose.
These words "inclusive growh and exclsive growth etc" sound hollow,when we have a stinted growth,which lacks both vision and direction.
We all know that ROME was not built in a day,as though all other things could be built.
All these activities need a cool,calm and unbiased approch.
It should be a cohesive and collective one(partcipative) with absolute committment,in the process of development friend!!!
MR.Iamtrue,whom was he blaming for his(the EC's) derilictions of duties???
We all too can sermonise,with out practice!!!
QUITE true friend!!!
MR.saisrini,no government both at centre and states,have any cohesive planning perspectives and their implementation,is the root cause for such haphazard development and migrations.
Till we have a well adminstered executive and good governance in place,the people of to put up with all such ills and nothing could be done about it!!!
MR.Iamtrue,all this only means,that we do not have the sence of proportion to bring in a good government!!!
A good question.Better next census is conducted on the basis of "class"population wise,agewise and genderwise!!!
MR.Nariman,who is twisting by mixing up class with caste.
You should have mentioned who are that deceivers and hypocrites,so that people would know it friend!!!
radhikarajen,you are right.The word "NATIONAL" has lost its relevance in the murky polics!!!
friend,as your post reveals "one loves onself the most" even if one is the ugliest!!!
MR.goshar,a relevant point in an irrelevant scenario that continues in an endless time!!!
MR.Nariman,the meaning of"growth" in ecnomics is different.
The words "inclusive or exclusive or preclusive etc" fall in the domain of "politics"!!!
Friend,the practices in this regard dates back to the begining of the past,if we care to know!!!
MR.Nariman,the statement of MK is meant to safegaurd the 69% quota sytem in TN specially after the stay from SC.
As for the purpotrted CD,the EC has already taken action and the hearing is adjourned to wednesday.If BJP is found guilty,appropriate action could always be taken friend!!!
Now the EC may have to prove that its application of the laws and norms are consistent and uniform!!!
Aptly put it friend!!!
Friend,I would have loved to part with it had I got one.
one should understand the satire to enjoy it!!!
MR.teej,first one's negligence has to be established.The punishment follows next!!!
radhikarajen,wonder what could wake us up from the deep slumber???
This apathy baffles any sensible one!!!
Friend,responsibility and answerability go with a system,in a set pattern.It is not that every tax payer can pull one by the collor!!!
Well said friend.This an ideal to be achieved!!!
MR.salemsrini,the 21st sloka under 3rd chapter in GITA atly applies for all times.
It is the mix up of "spiritualism and socialism" that causes unwarranted confusion in the minds of the people,due to overlapping of certain given standards,to ensure an evenly and orderly systems for the good of the people,from time to time!!!
Quite true friend!!!
friend,let us be optimists at all times.Here is a quote:"one need not be great to start some thing. Start some thing to be great".
This gives us a hope!!!
Quite true friend!!!
radhikarajen,we have seen in politics,each party/group,tries to paint the other in black.But people are watchful and they are the ultimate deciders friend!!!
it is how they spin their money friend. We can see this from the way several educational institutions springing up with no quality in imparting education!!!
Ofcourse yes,MR.Nariman!!!
It matters little whether it is "crude or sophisticated".It is the offence that matters!!!
MR.Nariman,my answer always remain the same.Apply the laws and rules uniformly,but not selectively.
Earlier,aganist your poser of applying this norm "only to BJP" as the matters stand,I only added that it may strengthen them!!!
Trust this clarifies friend!!!
MR.rebel it is fine then,for the convergence!!!
Friend,your honesty is never in question.BTW!!!
MR.rebel,none of us is a recluse and this is the reality.
Friend,when you refered to the shastras,the word "BRAHMAN" relates to the "INTELLECTUAL"(ENLIGHTENED) who is supposed to perceive,analyse,discriminate and give the direction for the right action,for the good of the "humanity/society".
Friend we know, all can think and only a few discriminates with eqanimity!!!
Let this word "BRAHMAN" not be mixed up with the one in vogue by birth,for the original principle and concept had altogether a "different connotation"
Regarding the "varnas" we could discuss seperately,if you and all wish so friend,for they were later concepts evolved from the principle,which should not be mixed up friend!!!BTW!!!
MR.rebel,you lost nothing friend!!!
MR.rebel,appreciate your fond wish,which is equally shared and hope it would materialise soon friend!!!
MR.rebel,may I draw your kind attention to the "slokas in Gita" vide NOs 29,30 and 31 of the 6th chapter,that pronounces 'equality and equanimity',applicable to all at all times,excluding none!!!
This once again I am trying to bring to your notice,not that you are not aware of them,for herein lies the "principle" that draws no distinction even between animate and inanimate things friend.BTW!!!
This goal should be unification of the society and developing it as a "beautiful garden"!!!
Happy the "heads of the muths" are visiting the dalitwadas to erase the impression of "Untouchability",which has been in vougue!!!
Hope this would be followed up with missionary zeal, in building the best schools/educational institutions, hospitals, and recreation facilities etc, for all to join in the village/town/city,which are very essential,for living together as members of the same family!!!
When I say this, all without exception from even the other religions should as well be the active participative members in this mission of upliftment of the society for good without exception!!!
MR.rebel,while thanking you for remembering us,we badly miss "the message part" of this post friend!!!
Who denies this fact friend! It should be so at all times.Some disagreements apart,our goal remains the same.BTW!!!
radhikarajen,the former has takers for this is a branded product,while the later goes by several unsaleble brands,on the reverse side of the same coin!!!
Hence the "LONG LIVE" slogans and "DOWN WITH" the cries have become the worst "noise polluters".
It wii be interesting to watch "which lives and what goes down"!!!
MR.SAYPNK,The government's responsibilty does not end with just making a policy on paper.It is to be followed up with plans executions and reviews.
It is equally the job of government to take stringent steps to root out corruption!!!
radhikarajen,in short, it is very poor governance,if not bad!!!
MR.salemsrini,External affairs fall under the "exclusive puerview" of the central government!!!
It is very unfortunate MR.Nariman!!!
MR.rebel,if only you care to know, it has been only "BRAHMANS" who consistently advocated about the "euality" and that there has never been like a "duality or plurality"!!!
Friend you know the " principle concept" is different from a practice(s) arisen from a "system or systems" fromm time to time!!!
We also know the systems are always debatable,while the principle remains the same!!!BTW!!!
MR.rebel,you have not yet answered my questions friend.What is the matter???
MR.Arun,it is not possible for SC rulings are there.
We have been a poor country earlier.It should not matter now, even if we are called differently!!!
We love peace so much.
Nothing which is "transitory" ever disturbs us, for we know that all this is only an "illusion"!!!
friend,the world itself is misused and equality does not exist any where,except in constitutions!!!
Friend,reservations as such will not cost much, as compared to educate them!!!
You know ours is a very poor country!!!
Friend,he washed his hands after setting in the laws of nature in motion,and went into a deep meditation!!!
Friend,may be our ancestors are "owls" who knows!!!
Friend,our political leaders or politicians,do think that they alone has have "+ or -" thoughts,by birth, to guide the destiny of the people and what not!!!
Friend,don't you think that the third and fourth surveys,may bring forward "others into focus" for garnering the benifits.
Learnt that about 90 OBC groups are holding a big rally and gathering which would be attended by the CM of A.P!!!
MR.Iamtrue,the SC/ EC may initiate the necessary steps to "derecognize" all such political aprties,who inflame the communal tensions,WITH THEIR PROVOCATIVE actions/speeches!!!
The laws are there waiting to be enforced!!!
friend,you have reasons probably to base your apprehensions.
The way people are slowly graduating themselves to sustain democracy,as seen from the election results from time to time,gives us all a ray of hope!!!
MR.salemsrini,he did not blame the doctors squarely friend.
While the agony of the patient and anxiety of the relatives are quite understandable,the doctors as such should not be targetted,for an unfortunate demise of the patient.
The patient's health condition,before one is brought to the doctor/hospital and the medical assistance rendered are more relevant too!!!
ofcourse true and none intends even friend!!!
friend,efficiency is a factor that covers all in comparison!!!
MR.rebel,please state clearly what is "karma",before we go any further???
MR.Nariman,the population of china is religious,whether state owned religion does not exist.Most of them are "BUDDHISTS"
Friend for your information,The following information is furnished,based on the data of 2005,which proves that the believers far exceed the non believers.
1.CHRISTANS.....33%
2.ISLAM.........21%
3.HINDUISM......14%
4.BUDDHISM.......6%
5.CHINESE
TRADITIONAL.....6%
6.PRIMAL..........6%
7.SIKHISM........O.36%
8.JAINISM........O.22%
9.REST TRADITINAL
&
NON-RELIGIOUS..13.42%
Trust this confirms that the believers cross the mark of 90%,if not more friend!!!BTW!!!
MR.rebel,a small correction.We are slaves of our own stagnant "mind sets" friend!!!
MR.rebel,initiate what?Friend after all the Brahmins constitute hardly about 3% in a population of about one billion+.
Is it not surprising, that there is a heavy rush for competetion for caste based reservations including the minorities,in whose faiths no caste system exists???
Why should all political aprties and governments abet this historical blunder,as propagated,continue it and perpetuate it.???
MR.Iamtrue,these aspects are the parts of the same body and their functioning should always be integrated and well co-ordinated!!!
It is not necessary always one is at the cost of the other.Industrialisation also means,it could be agriculture oriented too,processing its produce.
We lack proper concepts and have only kneejerk reactions on an adhoc basis.
This is where lies the confusion causing problems too frequently!!!
friend,there happens to be a time lag of minimum three months that disabled his partcipation probably!!!!
MR.Nariman,socialism does not mean that all things should lie in one sector or the other.
This only aims at a mixed economy in raising the living standards of the society.We know this living standard happens to be the highest in a socialist country like netherlands.
What ultimately matters is the good governance and honest people with committment for a cause friend!!!
MR.salemsrini,we all know that knowledge is power and how can we call it educational pollution,when aiming higher?
Yes, I do agree that the education has to be tailored to suit various fields and levels.
This is where an analytical approch is needed on the datas,which should be realistic,lest we are bound to falter!!!
TRUE FRIEND!!!
MR.Nariman,these points are pivotal and should be the focus of attention for dovetailing the plans and perspectives.
We should have a road map and priorities with clearcut targets to be achieved with in a time frame.
Friend,the Indian psyche appears to be confused at all times.You are right we launch ourselves,with out proper analysis on an adhoc basis with regrets later!!!
THE HOSPITALS EITHER EXISTING OR TO COME IN BASICALLY???
1.Do we have these hospitals in each town and villages?
2. Have these hospitals been provided with the minimum if not the standard modern equipments,labs surgical theatres,beds etc?
3.Have these hospitals been provided with the necessary manpower both medical,paramedical and other supporting staff,to maintain and man with suitable accomodation provided for them?
4.Have these hospitals been provided with the requsite medicines/vaccines etc, and their regular replinishments,before they are exausted at the minimum inventry level of each?
5.Have the government provided each hospital both in towns and villages,with ambulances suitably equipped to render the first aid by the competent staff,and to rush the patients to to the hospitals in time.?
6.have the citizens been provided with regular medical history cards,to enable the quick diagnosis and ensure the treatment/
7.Last but not the least,what should be the "doctor-patient ratio" as per norms,with the necessary staffing patterns and what is the exact position as existing to day and as envisaged for future,within a fixed time frame???
If any of these are wanting well,people would know,where the negligence lies to start with."THE MEDIA HAS A SPECIAL ROLE,IN EXPLORING THE SITUATIONS IN THE FIELD,AND HIGHLIGHT THEM,AND ALL THE RIGHTS ACTIVIST GROUPS/NGOs AND THE GOVERNMENTS TO PURSUE THEM TO THEIR LOGICAL END AT ALL TIMES,FOR IMPROVING THE MATTERS WITH PERIODICAL REVIEWS AT REGULAR INTERVALS"
IT IS NOT THAT ALL WAKE UP IN THE END, ONLY TO DESTROY THE PROPERTIES AND ASSAULT THE STAFF,GIVING VENT TO THEIR FEELINGS AT THE DEMISE OF THEIR KITH AND KIN,UNFORTUNATELY!!!
EVERY STATE HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS "CRISIS",with heavy powercuts every day,where by both the agricultural and industrial production are effected???
Where did our planning go wrong???
It is good friend!!!
MR.Nariman,any project that aids the enhancements of agriccultural extents and their outputs friend,like a "DAM" across the river, for example!!!
Friend,the input costs have been raising for all without exception!!!
AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION,THE SUM TOTAL OF THE LAND REMAINING THE SAME???
How do we enhance the cultivable land,with out disturbing the ecology???
Is this fragmentation of land,leading to an uneconomical productivity,landing the farmers in steep debts to make their both ends meet???
What other means would suppliment the low income of the farmers in this regard.
Members may contribute their valuble thoughts,for improvement of the plight of the farmers in this context!!!
radhikarajen wish there could have been a larger and better partcipation,on the topic.
Well what we need is "quality and not quantity" in the discussions, to make them more meaningful any way!!!
radhikarajen,laws of karma are not fatalistic friend,as you also mentioned.
When we say an "effort" can change the situation,it is again "karma i.e;action" again.
This inclination to make an effort also flows from karma alone.
Not making an effort is also a "karma i.e; action again".Even to think is also a karma.
In a nutshell,all thoughts,actions,reactions and inactions are all "karmas"only friend!!!
These laws of "karma" have been fully accepted by all oriental philosophers over the times!!!
radhikarajen,this is what precisely what I tried to drive home the point several times!!!
But to my surprise,I found,the very "caste based dalits" who moan about the "Manuvadi system"(as they call),refuse to forgo their identity.
On the other hand,it amusing when religion is added to these caste based reservations,under the banner of "dalits" supported by all the political parties and more so by the "LEFTISTS",the peculiar combination of "class & caste" took shape like "sikhandi or Hijra"!!!
All condemn these "caste" system and yet none is prepared to forego their identity or affliation with it.
This is more farcical friend!!!
Why friend???
MR.Nariman,I was speaking about its original or subsequent expansion and development friend.Is it not at the cost of "forests",the cultivable lands took shape???
Is it not disturbing the ecology and warming up???
Why no objections were raised then,by these agriculturists and others friend???
MR.Nariman,assembly is not that easy as you imagine.It is more complicated than producing a component friend!!!
MR.Nariman,we are all in a competetive world.Whether to survive or not is one's choice.
We also have these SSIs in other countries progressing without compromising on "quality"!!!
If others could achieve it why not us friend???This is what we call a level field.
We Indians want huge profits,without ensuring the required quality from the customers.We know a lot of exported consignments are turned down and sent back exactly for this reason!!!
Why should it not be the same case with SSIs,where certain products have been exclusively reserved for them in procurement,keeping away the large scale industries???
MR.NARIMAN,IS IT THE FAULT OF 'FEDERER' TO WIN???
But the question is whether MR.Leander reaches the final to play aganist him in the first place???
MR.Nariman,these are no answers to my straight questions!!!
Why are you side stepping the issue???
Please provide answers honestly!!!
MR.Nariman,please name a single "agricultural project" conceived or completed between 1970 till date!!!
Also name a few PSUs in the industrial sector,during the same period!!!
Where is our planning and co-ordination in execution,commensurate with the population growth,which should have been envisaged!!!
Well said friend!!!
Friend,your last sentense is more valid,the rest being the same more or less in all countries,specially the commercialisation aspects!!!
Friend,if your contention is that INDIA would be attacked simaltaneously by all those forces you mentioned,one more should not matter.
The brave dies only once and the cowards die every second!!!
Have no fears friend.india can take care of itself!!!
Friend,it should be the combined effort,of all nations to eliminate it.
This calls for a will and perfect coordination with exchange of intellegence well in time,between the international community!!!
Let us not forget the fact that these groups always receive the support of the vested interests, world wide!!!
A good job done by the police,but...???
The mission of Maqsood Ahmed,the agent is to recruit youths for organising 'jehadi activities' in the city,Gujarat and Somalia!!!
One of the options is to "treat the terrorists",
with all comforts and hospitality!!!
Even Bagladesh acted speedily and hanged the terrorists as per the judgement!!!
WHICH MEANS,that you are only trying to argue,without facts, to substantiate your own arguments friend!!!
Friend,what is the % of closures in both catogeries???
You will find it minimal in large scale industries!!!
MR.Nariman,for any one to compete,one has to maintain quality,be it large or small.
It is not a mere question of providing employment and what purpose would it serve,when we know that the closures are invitable even before one starts!!!
MR.Nariman,there will be only one winner in any competition,whether equal or unwqual.
It is always the will to win that improves till one finally wins.
Let us not be the crying babies for ever!!!
Friend,reforms are no meant for living and vibrant human faces.
No reforms will work for stagnant faces,who does not want to face the realities,in their march towards progress and prosperity!!!
We are only adepts in offering exsuses at all times,for not doing anything worth while!!!
Indeed a sorry state of affairs friend!!!
While the former said it was "Muslims" the later said it was "Christians" who are more backward!!!
This conflicting reports call for a clarification by the government to avoid the confusion,in the minds of the people and to set the record straight as well!!!
MR.RAJAYE, no fun friend and all negligencies or derilictions of duties are punishable,if found guilty, surely!!!
This case relates to the acquisition of pvt land,even after an earlier decree in f/o the owner,regarding the "HMT-Watch factory"!!!
Trust this may remove some of the apprehensions of our friends!!!
Under which law friend???
All can purchase the agricultural lands,subject to the land ceiling acts.As you rightly said they may even grow just grass,as an agricultural produce.Any bar on this friend???
MR.Nariman,if we go only with half hearted approches,it is bound to happen!!!
MR.Nariman,glad to note that we have millions and millions "living on interest income" alone,when compared to the past times!
This is a good improvement in itself friend.
Regarding the other desirable welfare measures, it is fully agreed,we should have them in place,in the near future friend!!!
MR.Nariman,the poverty is the result of 'self goals'mostly,because of the mind set to resist any change even when it is for their good!!!
We can only pity their ignorance and wish they should see the day light friend!!!
The way the arm dumps are found along the coast line and probably else where too!!!
MR.Nariman,my poser was entirely different to our friend as to "how agriculture was developed and at which cost" aganist his topic???
You may kindly answer this,instead of going in circles friend!!!
This part we can discuss seperately!!!
MR.RAJAYE,it is like which is first,the seed(people) or the tree(the society)???
The question of blaming or fixing responsibility comes next friend!!!
MR.varun,this is a valid point,which merits consideration friend!!!
MR.Nariman,development is needed to take care of such welfare measures only.
Without generation of "wealth" first,how can we distribute and what can we distribute except "poverty"!!!
MR.Nariman,where did he touch upon the development of "small scale industries" friend?
This is only your inference at best!!!
Even then,how do the small industrie survive?
Have you ever visited any of these small industries,located in various industrial estates,specially the biggest in Bangolore.
Do you know what is the % of units closed and for what reasons???
"Let us be more pragmatic friend"!!!
The ills are many,but there is none to foot the bills,friend!!!
MR.saisrini,one simple question friend.How did agriculture come into being and at which cost???
You are right friend.Same is the case with several states,The medical college admissions should be in the hands of "All India medical council" only!!!
It is very much necessary to scrap reservations of all kinds,in this profession.
It is not the quantity,but the quality that matters!!!
MR.Nariman,all possibilities exist!!!
MR.Nariman,yes all senior citizens are effected, and it is true!
But could be done for them,specially those who had no pensions or lumpsum payments available even???
Ot what is your solution to cover all catogeries of senior citizens friend???
MR.Iamtrue,firstly, in the other countries public would lodge a complaint in case of such apprehensions,instead of taking law into their own hands as in our country!!!
Secondly,in all such cases an expert panel would go into the merits of the case from start to the finsh and give its recommendations.
Thirdly any action aganist negligence or deriliction of duties,when established,will entail heavy costs payable,besides punishment if warranted!!!
Trust this answers all your questions.BTW!!!
friend,we all know who is paranoid now!!!
MR.Nariman.when we say the super power,it does not mean only militarily.
It encompasses all other fields such as "economic,educational,research,scientific and technological advancements,over all development and social welfare etc" friend!!!
QUITE TRUE FRIEND!!!
MR.saisrini,your suggestion envisages 'joint venture hospitals" in place of corporate hospitals or government hospitals.
But your suggestion is quite silent on who manages such joint venture hospitals!!!
MR.Iamtrue,application of consumer act to the process of medical treatment is impracticable,
due to several "variable factors",unlike buy and sell as in the former case!!!
Friend the real doctors come from the medical institutions,but not from laws!!!
A ggod suggestion friend!!!
Obviously there should be a "medical panel" to go into such allegations based on the medical reports!!!
We have enough laws to take care of if the charge of negligence or deriliction of duties is established!!!
friend,it is upto Srilankan government to sort out its internal problems as they deem fit!!!
or bound by an international or bilateral strategic friendship treaty friend!!!
friend,as of now, this stands as an internal matter of Srilanka and we have no business to interfere in its internal affairs either by our government or any Indian political parties!!!
How to deal with the LTTE supporters,is better left to government!!!
MR.Nariman,what are the reasons for not implementing the orders???
MR.Nariman,salaries need not correspond to income patterns,be it urban or villages,be one is a graduate ot an illiterate.Do you mean to say that the farmers have not raised the prices of their produce proportionately and there is no hike in the daily wages for the agricultural labour or the people in unorganised sector???
Can you say that all urbanites are very happy when compared to villagers friend.Can you say the cost of living is the same in both the cases.
This is not to minimise the gravity of situation.
We can not have all the advantages at all times friend.There are merits and demerits in any issue!!!
MR.Nariman,it is good you mentioned about the prices that went up.But why are you silent on the rise in incomes correspondingly friend.
It is a different matter whether these raises are in line with the incomes and expenditures paralelly friend!!!
MR.Arun,glad you recommended the board!!!
Hope it would be approved without any hickups!!!
radhikarajen,do not think that there is any such law that bars other vocational people from purchasing the agricultural lands!!!
MR.Nariman,what is the hitch in its noncompliance friend???
MR.Nariman,the laws are same for all with out exception.
If the application is not the same,we have several rights activists to take care of such situations.
Now for the compensation packages if not yet paid to the NARMADA evictees,most of these cases if not all are pending with courts due to various PILs!!!
MR.rebel,do you want me to believe about your ignorance in this regard!!!
A very pertinent point MR.mac.
Friends,please read this in the context of "NANDIGRAM", wrongly posted here.Sorry!!!
Friends,glad I am enjoying a BRECHT'S play!!!
Now the matter is subjudice.No political games please!!!
radhikarajen,in a nutshell,this value addition or lack of it, is mostly environmental,than cognitive???
Do the laws of "karma" have anything to do with this process,or they have no bearing???
This is a logical surmise,born out of frequent experiences friend!!!
radhikarajen,the purpose for which the land acquisitions are meant have only been stressed once again.
Despite the "SEZs" act,some parties want to bring in amendments to it now and want a change in the guidelines as well!!!
MR.Iamtrue,which way you want it friend???
"Horizantally or vertically"!!!
MR.Arun,ofcourse true.
Our horse (democracy) runs with heavy handicaps and needs to be offloaded at the earliest.
But our law makers are quite averse for even a review of the laws and systems.May be they are all busy otherwise friend!!!
We may go slow on SEZs,but the policy is irreversible said PM!!!
We may have to enhance the "cpmpensation package and stake holding" to the land owners said KARAT!!!
It is clear from both that the SEZs are here to stay.
But one wonders,why these aspects were not taken into consideration,"when the SEZs ACT has been enacted" during the discussions!!!
You made it explicit friend.Thank you!!!
MR.Iamtrue,the compensation packages should cover atleast seven generations,taking into consideration,the cost escalations every year friend.
Even then we are not sure that there will not be agitations!!!
MR.Iamtrue,in a jungle we have lots of firewood,to ward of both!!!
MR.Arun,your point is very valid one.But your suggestion is an impractcable one in the present set up friend!!!
Friend it is always the "ASPIRATIONS VS THE MEANS".
These two are parallel lines!!!
MR.Iamtrue,it would be excellent,when realised!!!
Friend,true.The colours of a politician is always known.
The unfortunate part is the people like a colourful visual on the screeN,KNOWING IT IS UNREAL!!!
But friend,let us not forget the fact that he happened to be in a nationalist party and in positions too.The switch over has taken place after his daughters entry into politics,for the obvious reasons.
Who knows,what is the tale behind???
radhikarajen,the points are well taken and true!!!
radhikarajen,did we give a value or is it inherent and inborn???
What is a fake encounter and who are witnesses to it,to prove it is fake???
Merely playing politics are no proofs!!!
This is no rehabilitation.It is a punishment friend.This is all the difference!!!
Friend,we all wish your two children will be restored to you if not done already,due to the internal ramifications involved in this case mentioned by you!!!
Friend,the presdent implicitly addressed this apathy only in his recent speech!!!
This is an unsubstantiated allegation, general in nature friend!!!
It is good for others to emulate friend.But it may not be possible in all cases.Hence the need to evolve uniform guide lines for all states!!!
The law says "YES" subject to other laws like ULCs.
Will there be even then, the same type of agitations???
Now CPI& RSP cricise his ermarks on "SEZs" and say no need for him to favour "SEZs".
This is another example,how we move about without any clearcut "DIRECTION"!!!
Friend,in your opinion what should prvail?
Is it the laws of the land,or the democracy or any other from of government,or the will of any individual,be it a VIP OR PP ???
ABOUT 98% of the people all over say they have faith in oneness of the supreme force,call it by whatever name,which is omnipresent and omnipotent.
Do we mean it really or simply say it.If we mean what we say,we know how to act in pursuit of the faith with values and due regard for all that was created by the supremeforce,which lives in all.
The day this thought dawns on "humanity" the conflicts vanish!!!
They do.All political parties avail the facility friend!!!
TO give a filip to this process.It is good.But when are we going to finalise the others and where are the uniform guide lines in this regard???
Is the course of a river ever be straight with out twists and turns friend???
It is all a part of life!!!
radhikarajen,may be true.But the same is also talked about by the human activists,be it NHRC,SHRC,OR ANY OTHER NGOS,besides the people and media too.
Have we not seen how these trials go friend???
Which is very difficult to understand I mean the human nature,even by the very human,friend!!!
How about the land "ACQUISITIONS AND THE ONGOING AGITATIONS in A.P,REGARDING THE OUTER RING ROAD" in Hyderabad friend.???
Are they not similar to what is happening in W.B???
radhikarajen,it is good to go back to the times of RAMA, and find out whether the same monarchial system holds better even in our 21st century too!!!
radhikarajen,thanks for stating that the society must have a rule of law.
You may be right that lawlessness exists in WB OR CPI-M cadres.But friend we have a law to remidy the situation too.
It is a different matter why people entrusted with the responsibility are not taking advantage of it!!!
radhikarajen,having said about the development,you were silent on to whom the land belonged or what type of lands they were, in all those cases,which is the bone of contention now!!!
Where does it lie sir???
It seems even the media has lost interest in reporting the progress!!!
MR.Iamtrue,when no culprit is caught whose identity still stands out as a mystery,how come this poor sales man is linked to him or the crime for selling a brief case as a part of the business???
IT is known to all friend!!!
Absolutely true friend.This unfortunate mind set should change at the earliest and on top priority!!!
Depending on the situations for the overall development!!!
Friend,if people do not want the democratic set up,they are entitled to go for an alternative set up!!!
Friends,thanks for agreeing with the cause!!!
The government of the should aim at a "NATIONAL POLICY" and evolve the guide lines applicable uniformly in all such cases.
Governments should concentrate on development and governance,but not in running business!!!
radhikarajen,it is said by the opposition parties at all times and places,that "the situation"remains the same in some form or the other in all states.
Is it not true friend???
MR.iamtrue,the issue in question is of "social justice" irrespective of population figures.My words of preferential treatment are to be read in this context friend.
Please check my original post!!!
MR.Nariman,what are they precisely???
But even then,assuming for arguement's sake it did,don't we have the lawful means to get them redressed,instead of the agitational and militant approches for political reasons???
Please give a cool thought friend!!!
Friend,the recent events prove who is taking the law into one's hands.It was the innocent people only who suffered but not the VIPS.
So friend, you now know pretty well,where the "mental retardation" sets in and comes from.!!!
Friend,it is being aimed at precisely now!!!
MR.Iamtrue,not possible not even in the distant future,for the simple reason,each one will pull the other's legs as usual!!!
radhikarajen,please honestly tell,whether the lawlessness in the society should be allowed to continue!!!
The law will take its own course,since all are equal before the laws!!!
This is the reality!!!
FRIEND,DO YOU MEAN TO SAY ALL OTHERS INCLUDING THE LAW MAKERS COULD BREAK THE LAW???
The security forces are the autherised ones to maintain law and order at all costs.In this process there could be certain "unintentional" ommissions and commissions,which can not be helped!!!
Friend,you are asking for a moon to be delivered!!!
Well said mr.Lalitjha!!!
This can obviously be seen from the present ongoings in the courts!!!
MR.piri,what was this "charur-varna" you mentioned about,and from which time it was caused by whom and for what purpose friend???
Friend,no good government would be unstable!!!
MR.Lalitjha,none objects for the grant of scholarships to the poor people uniformly,but not at the cost of merit and talent.
But it would be a great miracle if INDIA has to become a super power economically or even otherwise,when it runs with several of these handicaps!!!
This posting is being made to set the record straight,as it is seen a lot of discussion has been going on in this regard!!!
After the cease fire,the UNO resolutions called for vacation of the agression by PAKISTAN, and also stated clearly that holding of a "plebiscite" as agreed to by INDIA then,is contingent upon pak's compliance,with the above.
This did not happen even till date and instead Pak waged two more wars in 1965 & 1971 after which the "Simla agreement"between India and Pakistan,came into force,thereby making the earlier UN resolutions redundant!!!
True friend!!!
MR.PKVERMA,it is a very relevant point!!!
MR.freethinker,how can INDIA be a "colonial power" without any colonies outside of its borders???
MR.Lalitjha,it is exactly for this reason,I titled it as above.
Friend,the "relations could be good or bad" at any given point of time.They are variable!!!
MR.Lalitjha,you are right.It is just politics!!!
Poverty exists every where,in all aprts of the world and needs to be tackled with "uniform good governance" only!!!
It is generally known that the freethinkers have a derailed thought process!!!
Friend,what is government sans subordinates???
Friend,all respect each other.But all mistrust each other at the same time unfortunately!!!
Yes you are right when you said that an "impartial governance"is needed!!!
Friend,the leakages are every where!!!
It is true friend.The only variant is the intensity!!!
Friend,all respect each other.But all mistrust the other at the same time unfortunately!!!
Yes you are right when you said that an "impartial governance"is needed!!!
FRIEND,every one can not be a "Gandhi"???
MR.agniputra,why not communists???
MR.ajaycwhdory,the government counts friend.Who knows that the one billion people in our country may as well worship your new found 21st century
GOD too!!!
One more addition should not matter for them!!!
MR.freethinker,dealing with militant outfits is no supression.No country tolerates senseless violence and killing of innocent people!!!
MR.freethinker,how often you think freely???
Did any one ask you to lend an year to an organisation which you described with triple adjectives???
MR.bibhuna,we are discussing about social justice but not about religions or their growth,which is a different subject friend!!!
MR.Lalitjha,are we not a party for the partion and creation of Pakistan???
Friend,how can some one divide us if we stand united???
Any relation is not a "one sided affair" friend!!!
MR.sameer_inamdar,what precisely you wanted to convey by mixing up "politics,economics,religions,social and caste" issues,in the same breath.
Why this alround confusion friend!!!
On the other hand,the segmentwise preferential treatments,would only further lead to perpetuation of "social injustice"!!!
This is the state of affairs since independence,with all its ups and downs.People from both sides,mostly desire it to happen at the earliest!!!
MR.ajaycwhdory,there are more than one billion dalits in INDIA,and not 150 million dalits as you mentioned.Let God bless them all!!!
MR.Arun,this only shows that we lack both clarity and focus!!!
MR.Iamtrue,it is good they did it!!!
MR.Iamtrue,it is good BBC aired its views!!!
MR.iamtrue,to the best of my knowledge,it continues to function as a socio-cultural organisation as of now!!!
MR.Iamtrue,since nothing could be established contrary to this,the ban imposed on it has been lifted,by the same government that imposed it!!!
What is preventing from taking the suggested action friend???
Among various segments of the society,that ensures the stability.
Without stability all plans for growth and individual prosperity, go haywire.
Let people and all parties understand this simple precept!!!
MR.Iamtrue,all communities are having such NGOs engaged in socio-cultural service.
The service is done in silence and needs no certificates from others.
The organisations do it as a matter of their duty in line with their objective,unmindful of appreciations or depreciations friend!!!
MR.Iamtrue,all communities have their similar organisations.
As long as they are all sevice oriented,there is nothing to find fault with one or the other!!!
But friend,service is done in silence at all times!!!
May be BBC is making its own view point loud and clear friend!!!
MR.Iamtrue,if the same trends continue,even the fittest will not survive, in the end,friend!!!
Friend,it is true,but no other specy which is also a part of the nature,indulges in "self destruction",as the humans.
That is the biggest calamity!!!
Friends,the KERALITES are more intelligent in alternating their governments from the begining.
May be it has been so because of a high literacy rate!!!
The "humans" not alone destroy the nature ,but also destroy themselves!!!
Not to convert the supreme court into a police station!!!
This refers to a PIL claiming "AFZAL" has been tortured.(please refer today's TOI page 9).
Wish a firm directive in this regard, is given to all courts by the SC!!!
Friend,it is good you said that "Dalits and muslims" are different nation.
Any nation will have its well defined, "geographical boundaries".So where does this nation which you refered to exists???
We know muslim nations exist.Where are "DALIT NATIONS & DALIT AND MUSLIM NATIONS" IN EXISTANCE???
This clarification may be useful to send all our greetings on their birth days!!!
But the world moves on unconcerned with good or bad!!!
There could be "good or bad" relations.The efforts should be directed for better relations if not the best!!!
People have the other options as well friend!!!
WHAT we are discussing is what we see within the given span friend.We have seen neither the past nor could we see the future,which remain as hypothetical points only!!!
MR.RAJAYE,Hope all parties would take a lesson out of these polls,that people could never be taken for granted.
This is what we have been discussing in an unbiased manner.Every thing has a price to pay and so is "bad governance"!!!
You may please continue to have your own way.GOOD LUCK!!!
MR.Darpan,the voters are intelligent,but not the rulers!!!
This holds good for all and at all times!!!
It is nothing but the "bad governance" at all times!!!
We refuse to accept this simple fact, for the attitude of the rulers is, "The king can not go wrong"!!!
FRIEND,it would be a welcome feature,if such a "dispersal" takes place.
But obviously, the lack of infrastructural facilities,specially power and transportation systems,skilled labour etc are the main constraints for the present plight!!!
MR.sen,well said friend.The only difference is what is being experienced now in WB is being experienced by other states since a long time because of the agitational approches both by the opposition parties and other selfstyled NGOs,be it a "DAM OR AN INDUSTRY OR ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENTAL PROGRAME"!!!
OFCOURSE YES FRIEND!!!
radhikarajen,our friend.MR.pendulam,with regard to morals,is of the view that it is upto an individual to deciede what is "right or wrong",when I tried to drive home the point,that these morals vary with" places,times and individuals."
The epics portions were brought into picture when he quoted about "killing,stealing and intiating force to kill etc" are morals,to convince him, that they do vary!
He refuses to see the reason.May be he feels, he alone is "right" and the other one is "wrong"!!!
If you can show him some light to see the reason, it would be fine!!!
MR.Pendulum,what was said was in the context of "rights & wrongs"with regard to morals,which you posted point wise.
For heavens sake do not try to do a "twist dance".
All actions could be justified. Keeping aside our sentiments,and going by our scriptires,was it not a fact that the incarnations of both RAMA & Krishna were "premeditated" ones???
Arguements are not your forte.Better you rest them friend.BYE! BYE!!!
MR.Nariman,may be I construed that it applies to all elections, even beyond 2009 loksabha elections friend!!!
It is good to learn that Indians are the perfect embodyments of "knowledge absolute"!!!
Please wait till you get one of your level!!!
MR.Iamtrue,I am speaking about a law if needed still to arrest the corruption.The ordinances have a little life and on expiry,if not turned into a law,they would automatically lapse.
Whether our law makers(politicians) whom we elected would take it up or not is a different matter friend!!!
You may be right in suggesting a new model of governance,which no where exists.
If INDIA could take a lead in experimenting this new model,the commity of nations would be curious to know the result!!!
The matter is subjudice now!!!
The WB-HC found fault not with the rights of acqusition,but with the proceedure adopted(which need to be substantiated still in the HC)in the acquisition.
Need not emphasise the difference between the two, time and again.
If still you refuse to see it,none can help you.BTW!!!
1. If murder is wrong, killing of RAVANA is wrong,what ever be the reasons.
2. If stealing is wrong KRISHNA having stolen the hearts of 16000 gopikas is wrong.
3. If initiation of force aganist a person is wrong then force used by RAMA aganist VALI is wrong.
This is what I said, that the morals vary with time, place and individuals!!!
These simple known examples have been quoted to drive out your own confusion in your mind.
So friend,now you know pretty well who is blabbering!!!
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